Is it possible to make wifi calls without a sim card or carrier?

Just got a new SE, so now I have this 1st gen SE without a sim card or carrier. From searching I got the impression that I should be able to use the old phone to make wifi calls over my home network ("it's easy!"). I assumed that once on the network I just tap in the phone number/text address and voila! Wrong assumption.


I've jumped thru all the hoops I know of (unlocking it, turning on "make wifi calls on other devices" on my new phone, etc etc), and I can access the network/Internet on my old phone, I can send emails (but not receive them on the phone, just on the computer), but it won't make calls or texts. I think the problem is that when I go to click on "Phone" in Settings, it's inactive, so I can't set it up for wifi calling (yet it also says "Network unavailable" but it IS available. I also can't sign into Messages. Yet sites like "5 Ways to Make Phone Call Without Sim Card or Service Provider" swear I should be able to do this. Two hours later...nada. Supposedly I could do it with Facetime but only to other Facetime users.


Is making wifi calls without a sim or carrier really possible? Do I need some app or something?

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Posted on Apr 24, 2021 12:21 PM

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Posted on Apr 24, 2021 3:27 PM

Never mind! I dl Google Voice, only to find that after I set up a Google account and chose a phone number, I had to enter my real phone number because all calls to my Voice number would be routed to my real number. With ads! And god knows whatever personal information they can get. No thanks - that's like the opposite of what I want in wifi calling. I thought it might be cool to have an old phone I can use as needed, but not in this typical Google predatory way. Delete app! Sorry to waste everybody's time - but then I wasted like 4 hours or more trying to figure this stuff out. Tech strikes again!


And for some reason all the "helpful" buttons were grayed out after the first one, and I wanted to use that to thank everybody for offering what they knew.

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Apr 24, 2021 3:27 PM in response to william98

Never mind! I dl Google Voice, only to find that after I set up a Google account and chose a phone number, I had to enter my real phone number because all calls to my Voice number would be routed to my real number. With ads! And god knows whatever personal information they can get. No thanks - that's like the opposite of what I want in wifi calling. I thought it might be cool to have an old phone I can use as needed, but not in this typical Google predatory way. Delete app! Sorry to waste everybody's time - but then I wasted like 4 hours or more trying to figure this stuff out. Tech strikes again!


And for some reason all the "helpful" buttons were grayed out after the first one, and I wanted to use that to thank everybody for offering what they knew.

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Apr 24, 2021 2:29 PM in response to william98

I am not certain this would help, but I have an iPad that did not purchase with cell phone capability. Just wifi. I can make/receive calls on there if I am logged on with my appleID. I first had to enable/let that device (wifi iPad) share my service through iCloud, I think. I might have gone to iCloud and authorized that device. Been a while...but when I get a FaceTime call to my iPhone phone number, it also rings on my wifi only iPad. I am pretty sure I also can receive calls from anyone...and for this I enabled the allow wifi calls. HTH

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Apr 24, 2021 2:17 PM in response to LD150

Thanks. But then why are there so many (alleged) ways to do this, judging from the number of search hits. One I saw https://www.howtogeek.com/229643/how-to-use-a-cellphone-without-any-service/ says you use Google Voice and Google Hangouts, where you choose a phone number (never heard of either of them, but they're supposed to work with iphones too). I think this is VoIP, which I know next to nothing about.

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Apr 24, 2021 2:20 PM in response to william98

Yes, you can use Skype, WhatsApp, Telegram, Facebook messenger, etc. But you can’t use a cellular carrier’s Wi-Fi calling. And you need a SIM card in the phone to activate it. You can’t use Google Voice, because it uses the cellular network for outgoing calls.

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Apr 24, 2021 2:34 PM in response to LD150

you just need wifi connectivity-not a SIM. A SIM is just for cellular service - a way for the cellular provider to keep track of your charges/acct even if you switch devices. A phone has wifi capability that is apart from cellular service. However, if that phone is associated with an appleid, the moment it establishes connection, the appleid associated with it can see its location. No problem if it is yours, just sign in and your on your way to using the device without a SIM. You can connect via wifi to your music and other apps. EVEN WhatsApp or similar to make "phone calls" via the app.

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Apr 24, 2021 2:50 PM in response to ShotokonMonkey

ShotokonMonkey wrote:

I am not certain this would help, but I have an iPad that did not purchase with cell phone capability. Just wifi. I can make/receive calls on there if I am logged on with my appleID. I first had to enable/let that device (wifi iPad) share my service through iCloud, I think. I might have gone to iCloud and authorized that device. Been a while...but when I get a FaceTime call to my iPhone phone number, it also rings on my wifi only iPad. I am pretty sure I also can receive calls from anyone...and for this I enabled the allow wifi calls. HTH

You are actually sharing the cellular service of your iPhone.

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Apr 24, 2021 4:41 PM in response to william98

You’ll either need a carrier SIM for access to the cellular networks for calls and data, or Wi-Fi access and a VOIP provider for VOIP calls, or Wi-Fi access and FaceTime or such apps. There are some VOIP apps available in the app store, not that I’ve tried any. I’d expect to pay for VOIP access, too.

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Apr 24, 2021 7:14 PM in response to william98

No need to go to the settings on the iphone SE. the only app I have used for making calls on my iPad that has no phone/cellular/SIM, is by downloading WhatsApp from the AppStore. Don’t mean to promote them - but they have end to end encryption.

(So they say - I have not verified and I only really use it cuz my sister in Italy uses that so she doesn’t accrue long distance charges. Log on to your AppleID on the phone. You may need to verify it/allow it, depending on your settings. If both devices show in your iCloud acct under devices, then you should be good. The allowing wifi calls on YOUR actual new,

phone with your SIM, will allow you to make wifi calls with that phone - other user is correct on that. I turned mine off because if you are in a school or hospital or anywhere there’s a faraday cage/or something blocking my cell service, it will then go to wifi calls. So no matter what, I can use either iPad or cell phone to make calls so long as they are both on wifi


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Apr 24, 2021 2:47 PM in response to LD150

I gave the IMEI number to my carrier, which (since I had no contract and had paid in full for the phone) sent it to Apple to unlock the phone (I didn't know this was how unlocking worked). On my phone where it formerly showed it was "carrier locked" it now shows "No sim restrictions" - I don't even have a sim in it. But I can still access the internet on my home network (the point being to be able to make a call if my new phone is missing or dead for some reason). I don't really know how any of this works, but at the moment I'm in the App Store reading about Google Voice (and typically for online reviews of whatever, reviews are all over the map). But I can't go into Phone in Settings and turn on wifi calling because Phone is the only Settings function that's inactivated.

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Apr 24, 2021 4:43 PM in response to william98

Google voice is just Google’s implementation of GrandCentral. It never was a stand-alone VoIP telephone service like Skype or Ooma. It merely allows someone to have multiple telephone numbers all delivering incoming calls to one device. So you could have one telephone (landline or cellular) but multiple numbers to give out as you choose to. You can even select the area code so in the days before nationwide long distance as a standard account feature you could give a local number to family or friends to use when calling you instead of paying long distance fees.


The availability of an app to use tablets and such for GV calls came long after the initial GrandCentral. Originally there was no way to answer your GV calls without having them forwarded to a real physical telephone of one kind or another.


Ooma is another VoIP internet based calling system that works on iOS and iPadOS devices, along with Skype and others. But Google Voice, and it’s predecessor, GrandCentral actual predate VoIP technology and use cellular carriers cell telephone networks to deliver calls. It doesn’t use the internet.

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