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Reliable NAS for over-the-air Time Machine backup

I have a WD MyCloud NAS, an older Dlink NAS, and an ancient Time Capsule (gen 2 I think). I can still run Time Machine over the air to my Time Capsule, less reliably to my WD MyCloud (it works for a while, then fails - to restart, I have to delete the backup file and restart with a full), and not at all with my Dlink. Each of the three say they have agents that support Time Machine.


I have tried to make my WD MyCloud run reliably enough times to give up on it, and I'm somewhat concerned that my Time Capsule will give up the ghost sooner or later (I have had to reformat it once already). Can anyone give me a recommendation for a NAS which I can run Time Machine reliably to?


P.S. I can mount both my WD MyCloud and Dlink NAS and read and write files to them. I can also see the .sparsebundle backup file.

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Posted on Aug 6, 2021 12:51 PM

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Posted on Aug 7, 2021 12:03 PM

According to Backup disks you can use with Time Machine - Apple Support, your NAS must support the Time Machine over SMB specification. Previous to that, NAS manufacturers would use an AFP hack (Netatalk) to share the TM backup since Apple never licensed AFP. Apple implemented features into AFP to enable reliable backups. Netatalk probably never did.


Apple now uses SMB for networking, so they created a specification for servers to use to make backups over SMB reliable. If the NAS merely claims to be able to share Time Machine destinations but doesn’t claim to support the Time Machine over SMB specification, they likely don’t.

If the NAS uses Samba for SMB file serving, it must be version 4.8 or later (released ca 2018) to have support for Time Machine.


I can’t say whether a NAS that supports TM over SMB would be necessarily reliable, but it certainly won’t be reliable if it doesn’t support the specification, and a NAS using AFP will always be unreliable.

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Aug 7, 2021 12:03 PM in response to Carlos da Roza

According to Backup disks you can use with Time Machine - Apple Support, your NAS must support the Time Machine over SMB specification. Previous to that, NAS manufacturers would use an AFP hack (Netatalk) to share the TM backup since Apple never licensed AFP. Apple implemented features into AFP to enable reliable backups. Netatalk probably never did.


Apple now uses SMB for networking, so they created a specification for servers to use to make backups over SMB reliable. If the NAS merely claims to be able to share Time Machine destinations but doesn’t claim to support the Time Machine over SMB specification, they likely don’t.

If the NAS uses Samba for SMB file serving, it must be version 4.8 or later (released ca 2018) to have support for Time Machine.


I can’t say whether a NAS that supports TM over SMB would be necessarily reliable, but it certainly won’t be reliable if it doesn’t support the specification, and a NAS using AFP will always be unreliable.

Aug 7, 2021 4:31 PM in response to Carlos da Roza

Stay away from DLink. I will never trust them again after a bad experience with their routers many years ago. I'm also not a fan of WD since WD likes to lie & trick people.


You should check out Synology. I've never used them, but I have heard lots of good things about them (have been tempted to get one, but ended up building my own solution). A co-worker has one which he likes and I believe it supports TM backups. They have lots of options from small units to large.

Aug 7, 2021 4:40 PM in response to Carlos da Roza

FWIW, I have been using a Synology NAS for TM backups for over 2 years now. Pretty much ever since Apple decided to get out of the networking hardware game. Prior to this I was using a Time Capsule.


TM backups have been flawless, except one small "bump" with macOS Big Sur which was resolved by updating my NAS's operating system. It has been smooth sailing since. My NAS is a four-bay model with the option for a five-bay expansion. However, you can easily just use a two-bay unit if your goal is to only use it primarily for TM backups.


To give you a better idea on what it entails to setup, here's a Synology Knowledge Base article for you reading pleasure: How to back up files from Mac to Synology NAS with Time Machine - Synology KB

Aug 9, 2021 2:31 AM in response to MrHoffman

They only claim to work with Time Machine which is what they said when they used Netatalk for AFP connections. Those documents are not likely the place they would indicate support for the specification. You may have to contact them to find where they have that written.

Without support for that specification, it will necessarily be unreliable.

Aug 9, 2021 11:07 AM in response to MrHoffman

Barney-15E wrote:

They only claim to work with Time Machine which is what they said when they used Netatalk for AFP connections…

I’m running Synology, which works. I’m not looking to replace the Synology, either.

If the Synology is running Samba 4.8 or later, it supports the specification. I had looked into them long ago and noted they were using Samba, but I haven't kept up with their current specs.

So… not chasing WD specs today.

I did some digging through their source code. WD does use Samba, and the WD firmware would need to be in the 5.xxx range to support the Time Machine over SMB specification (it uses Samba 4.9.5).


So, to answer the OP's question of a reliable NAS, any WD MyCloud would need to be running one of the 5.xx versions of their firmware to have any hope of being reliable with Time Machine.

Reliable NAS for over-the-air Time Machine backup

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