12 Replies Latest reply: Aug 23, 2010 10:05 AM by roaminggnome
Erin15 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
Hey,
I'm a Canadian living in Canada. I suppose that means I'm not allowed to use the American iTunes store.

I wanted to buy the movie Scarecrow (1973) from iTunes, but apparently it's only available with the American store, not the Canadian one.

This question is probably pointless, but is there any way around that? I mean it's the internet.. Would it be that hard to share?

Thanks,
Erin

Compaq, Windows Vista
  • roaminggnome Level 10 Level 10 (92,655 points)
    "I'm a Canadian living in Canada. I suppose that means I'm not allowed to use the American iTunes store."

    True.

    "Purchases or rentals (as applicable) from the iTunes Store are available to you only in the United States, its territories, and possessions, and are not available in any other location. You agree not to use or attempt to use the iTunes Store from outside of the available territory. Apple may use technologies to verify such compliance."

    http://www.apple.com/legal/itunes/us/terms.html


    You came to an Apple provided forum to ask if there is a way to violate their terms of service?
  • varjak paw Level 10 Level 10 (169,830 points)
    Erin15 wrote:
    I suppose that means I'm not allowed to use the American iTunes store.


    That is correct.

    I wanted to buy the movie Scarecrow (1973) from iTunes, but apparently it's only available with the American store, not the Canadian one.


    That is unfortunately also correct.

    This question is probably pointless, but is there any way around that?


    Sorry but no, there isn't other than buying the DVD as an import.

    I mean it's the internet.. Would it be that hard to share?


    Availability of any content is totally under the control of the owners of the Canadian distribution rights. If they won't allow download sale of that movie in Canada, there's nothing that can be done unless and until they change their minds.
  • Kelvar Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Yes. You set up an American account and buy US iTunes gift cards either online or in the US.

    This may make syncing frustrating for you.
  • varjak paw Level 10 Level 10 (169,830 points)
    Doing so is a violation of the terms of use of the iTunes Store which prohibit use of any country's store from outside of that country. This restriction is demanded by the content owners who do not allow cross-border sales.
  • J.K. ROFLing Level 4 Level 4 (1,220 points)
    Sorry, Dave. But you are not exactly correct. I have an account on the US iTunes Store, I can go anywhere in the world and make a purchase. Legally. I can also set up an account on the US store from anywhere in the world. The controlling factor is the credit card that I use to set up the account. The billing address for the credit card has to be in the same country for the iTunes Store you are creating the account for. I.E. for the US Store, it has to be a billing address in the US. For the German iTunes store, a billing address in Germany. This is the 'technology to verify such compliance' referred to by roaminggnome.

    So, if the OP has a credit card with a US billing address, there is nothing to prevent him from setting up an account on the US store and purchasing what he wants. However, like Kelvar said, it might make syncing difficult.
  • Chris CA Level 9 Level 9 (77,465 points)
    I can go anywhere in the world and make a purchase. Legally.

    Yes, because you would be in that conuntry. And selling products in a country to someone in that country (regardless of their nationality) is legal. There are no copyright issues.

    There may be copyright issues in selling from one country to another because the copyright in one country may not be held by the same company in another country.
  • varjak paw Level 10 Level 10 (169,830 points)
    Sorry, J.K, but it is you who are incorrect. Repeating what RG posted (which you must have misread), from the iTunes Store Terms of Use (similar terms, appropriate to the country, are posted for each iTunes Store) (emphasis mine):

    "REQUIREMENTS FOR USE OF THE SERVICE

    The Service is available to you only in the United States, its territories, and possessions. You agree not to use or attempt to use the Service from outside these locations. Apple may use technologies to verify your compliance."

    So whether or not the OP has a US credit card or gift card, s/he may only use the US iTunes Store if s/he is actually in the US. Attempting to use the US iTunes Store from Canada is, as I said before, a violation of the terms of use.
  • J.K. ROFLing Level 4 Level 4 (1,220 points)
    Sorry, your statement doesn't hold water. What you are telling me is that even if I live in the US, have an account in the US store and am on vacation in Australia. I cannot go to the US iTunes store and purchase a book from the iBook Store to read on the flight home? But at the same time, I could not purchase a book from the Australian store because I don't have an account at the Australian iTunes Store AND I can't set one up because I have a US credit card.

    As I said, the mechanism for determining your "location" in this interconnected world is where your credit card bill is sent. There is no other way to accurately determine location for purchases, even IP addresses can be spoofed.
  • varjak paw Level 10 Level 10 (169,830 points)
    What you are telling me is that even if I live in the US, have an account in the US store and am on vacation in Australia. I cannot go to the US iTunes store and purchase a book from the iBook Store to read on the flight home?

    That's not what "I'm telling you", it's what the terms of use say, as per the statement both RG and I have quoted.

    There's nothing more we can say here. Whether or not Apple can determine whether you're violating this policy or not is irrelevant. We cannot discuss means of getting around Apple's terms of use in Apple's own forums, so we need to end this debate at this point.

    Message was edited by: Dave Sawyer
  • J.K. ROFLing Level 4 Level 4 (1,220 points)
    OK, I will accept your (and RGs) quotation of the terms of use. But what about the next sentence which you did not address. How do I make a purchase from the Australian iTunes store when I am on vacation down under? Remember, even though I have a valid US account, I still do not have an Australian account, no Australian address or credit card. I am not trying to "get around" anything, I am simply trying, for this example, trying to purchase a book which is on the US and Australian store, on my iPhone to read on the flight home.
  • varjak paw Level 10 Level 10 (169,830 points)
    How do I make a purchase from the Australian iTunes store when I am on vacation down under?

    Going strictly by the the terms of use, you can't. You need to plan ahead and make all your purchases before you leave the US.
  • roaminggnome Level 10 Level 10 (92,655 points)
    "We are unable to accept credit or debit cards issued by banks outside of Australia or prepaid gift cards issued by credit card companies."

    http://www.apple.com/legal/itunes/au/terms.html