Homekit hubs appear in multiple homes - with separate networks, making devices not reachable. (homepod minis)

I created two completely separate homes in homekit. Both homes are in different locations and don't share the same network. In each home I setup one homepod mini, which makes it a hub to remotely control the home as expected. However, after a short while, both homepod minis appear as hubs in both homekit homes, one with the status "connected" and one with the status "Standby".


This was irritating for me, as I would not have expected, that the homepod mini would get shared with the other home. In fact, I thought that this might be even an unintended security issue, given the fact, that I can invite other people to this home in homekit as well.


I couldn't find any way to "delete" / or "block" the homepod mini that is not physically present in one home, from becoming a home hub also registered in the second home.


However the real issue appeared, when the homepod mini of one location decided to not be the "Connected" one anymore, but changed without any clear indication why into "Standby" mode. With this status change I can't access the camera in the second location anymore and I noticed problems also with some Ikea Tradfri controller, that doesn't react to Scene control commands via Homekit anymore.


It seems, that the homepod minis / or maybe any kind of Apples Homehubs tie themselves via the iCloud account to other homes, even though with this they create issues.


I read, that some people found solutions by creating a separate iCloud account for each home and then invited the main iCloud account. However, this would also mean, that if you want to use for example Homekit Secure Video, you'd have to buy subscriptions for each account - if don't have a family shared account - on top of the fact, that this seems to be quite and unintended hassle.


Does anybody have a solution for this? Is this a bug? (- ... it seems at least to me.)


Thanks!

HomePod mini, 15

Posted on Jan 25, 2022 3:23 AM

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Posted on Jun 25, 2022 7:10 PM

I was able to fix this issue. I'm not sure if my situation is applicable to everyone here, so your mileage may vary.


In my case, home B was set up after home A (in fact - it was created while I was physically at home A - not sure if that matters).


Over time I added home hubs (Apple TVs and HomePods) to Home B. I noticed that Home A only had hubs from Home A. But Home B had all its own hubs, AND every hub from Home A.


The fix was simple - I just re-setup all the hubs in Home A:

  • For Apple TVs, I removed them from Home (Settings -> AirPlay and HomeKit -> Room -> Remove From Home). It's worth noting that before doing this, the 'Home Hub' section of the 'AirPlay and HomeKit' menu showed both homes! I also logged out of iCloud (Users and Accounts -> Default User -> Remove User from Apple TV). Then I just re-added my iCloud user as the default user, and used my iPhone to set it up.
  • For HomePods, I just removed them from the Home app and set them up again.


In both situations, during setup it would ask me which home and room to associate the device with.


Since doing this, Home B only has the hubs for Home B, and same for Home A.


So again - I'm not sure why the hubs from home A were associated with home B when that home was set up. But setting them up again seems to have fixed it.



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Apr 30, 2022 1:04 AM in response to derderdaist

Maybe you did not pray long enough as the problem returned the next day. However there is progress as simply taking the Ethernet cable out, waiting a few seconds and putting it back solves it immediately. This confirms there is a flaw in the way HomeKit recognises your nearest hub by relying on Wifi and not location and not taking into account that you can be hardwired on the same network which seems natural for an AppleTV.

Jun 3, 2022 3:04 PM in response to Imac 27 I5

Same issue too!

I have another problem which I think is related: The 2nd home, where I do not live, is the one that locates me (geofencing)! My current home thinks I am not here. Yes, the two locations are in my Contact card and are correct in Apple Maps. I have also deleted and reseted everything that could be possible related to privacy and location services.

Also, when I make someone in the other home power cycle the internet from the electrical panel for 15s, it doesn't discard my HomePods from that wrong home, they are still "there" listed in routers & hubs!

This drives me mad. For the first time I am considering dropping HomeKit completely.

Jul 14, 2022 12:23 AM in response to TKMaxo

Hopefully solved in iOS 16. I am also about to jump ship to Home Assistant. Have it running in parallel and it appears to be rock solid.


As a last try to stabilize HomeKit, do you know if it’s possible to remove HomePod Mini remotely or so I need to make a total reset of it? Cannot find anything in its settings in Home. As it’s in summer house I don’t have physical access to it.

Nov 27, 2022 2:12 PM in response to brianlees

Also, as an IT consultant who has worked for a software company, creating a second ID cannot be the solution. It’s the equivalent of “just reboot” or “reinstall” instead of actually troubleshooting the issue in depth and involving engineering.


I’m hoping that 16.2 and the HomeKit upgrade that is part of it solves this issue?


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Nov 27, 2022 8:14 PM in response to brianlees

Ughh—frustrating! Good luck with the support call. Have called quite a few times and they always suggest the same things, (which we’ve all tried numerous times based on what folks have said in this forum.) In the end of each call, support tech said they didn’t have a solution if none of these things worked, but would let their supervisors know and get back to me with a solution. Never hear back from anyone. Guess as it affects a smaller number of people, it’s unfortunately low priority.

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