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Encoding problems Pages Monterey 12.2.1

Considering this process :

  1. I have some text in Pages with some diacritics (ű ķ ą ť etc.). All is OK.
  2. In Pages, I select all the text and change the font (I verified that the font includes all this diacritics)
  3. But some of the diacritics appears in another font (font by default)


4. More precisely, with some system fonts (Baskerville®, Didot®, Avenir Next® Times New Roman®… but also some other fonts Alegreya®) there is no problem. But with other fonts (mostly not included with the system and installed further).

5. In Pages, when I go to the system "Visualiseur de Caractères" panel, and I insert the problematic diacritics I check that the font includes the diacritics, and the diacritic is correctly displayed… (I have made some of the font tested and I'm sure that the diacritics exist and is encoded as UTF-8 code-pages).

6. So I tried to copy/paste all the text with diacritics problems from Pages to Text Edit

7. In RTF mode (Text Edit) the diacritics problem is still there (with the font specified in Text Edit prefs which includes diacritics).

8. In Text Edit, I convert from RTF format to simple text format and convert again in RTF : the diacritics problem is solved (with the same font specified).


Please can you explain me why Pages can't do what Text Edit can do ?

It appears that it's a problem with some fonts but I never have this problem before (before… OSX 11…)


Fonts used are correctly encoded (UTF-8), With Characters Panel the is no problem when I insert the glyph… so… For me, (working with fonts), that needs a fix.


Regards.


P.S. I copy/Past this post in Text Edit : with a new font specified in Text edit prefs. :

the : ű ķ ą ť are OK… But In Pages the problem (with the same font) still there…

Posted on Mar 7, 2022 2:37 AM

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Posted on Mar 7, 2022 5:33 AM

Thanks for your answer.


After investigating further with some other tests, I've some news about this problem : it seem that this is a difference between – the diacritics as a single glyph for exemple :

"LATIN SMALL LETTER T WITH CEDILLA" unicode : U0163 and

– the combination t + combining cedilla (U0074 + U0327).


This explains why the insertion of the single glyph is correct but not the combination, because some glyphs for diacritics combinations are missing in the fonts tested… (for ex. the single tilde U02DC exists but is not used for the combination [in this case] the glyph used in combination is : U0303, etc.)…


When I've pasted the post in Text Edit, it was the singles diacritics and not the combinations : so, no problems because the used font includes the diacritics… etc.



But anyway, it will be better if the combination (2 glyphs) gives finally the single glyph in all cases… (when it exists in the font considered…). This depends on how the text (copied, in this case) is composed, and how the font software is programmed ("if you type t + cedilla then substitute to the single glyph"… etc.). In most cases this is automatic : (^ + a = â ; ¨ + o = ö etc.)…

But not for all diacritics…


Best regards.

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Mar 7, 2022 5:33 AM in response to Tom Gewecke

Thanks for your answer.


After investigating further with some other tests, I've some news about this problem : it seem that this is a difference between – the diacritics as a single glyph for exemple :

"LATIN SMALL LETTER T WITH CEDILLA" unicode : U0163 and

– the combination t + combining cedilla (U0074 + U0327).


This explains why the insertion of the single glyph is correct but not the combination, because some glyphs for diacritics combinations are missing in the fonts tested… (for ex. the single tilde U02DC exists but is not used for the combination [in this case] the glyph used in combination is : U0303, etc.)…


When I've pasted the post in Text Edit, it was the singles diacritics and not the combinations : so, no problems because the used font includes the diacritics… etc.



But anyway, it will be better if the combination (2 glyphs) gives finally the single glyph in all cases… (when it exists in the font considered…). This depends on how the text (copied, in this case) is composed, and how the font software is programmed ("if you type t + cedilla then substitute to the single glyph"… etc.). In most cases this is automatic : (^ + a = â ; ¨ + o = ö etc.)…

But not for all diacritics…


Best regards.

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Tom Gewecke
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Mar 7, 2022 4:42 AM in response to M_R_R_

For anyone to address your problem they will need to duplicate it. Since nobody has your custom fonts, you need to tell us which fonts supplied by Apple will demonstrate it. Could you do that?


In any case it sounds like something that probably only Apple can fix. For them to see your report, you need to use


http://www.apple.com/feedback


Include a link to this discussion so they can see your full description.


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