Multiple Vexing Issues (long)

About a month ago I started experiencing huge slowdowns and lags with my laptop — a 15” 2017 MacBook Pro running Monetery 12.4 (the most up to date at time of writing). I also noticed that the hard drive seemed to be filling up at an alarming rate, I was down to about 50GB free out of 1TB capacity.


I ran WhatSize and it showed that I was using 1.84GB of drive space — remarkable, considering that figure was nearly twice the drive’s capacity. When I ran WhatSize’s duplicates check, it showed that three messages were somehow replicating themselves — at that point there were over 35K (yes, thirty-five thousand) duplicate copies. I stared deleting them in batches, but that resulted in either a notice that the files could not be found because they don’t exist, and if they could be deleted, more duplicates took their place.


Eventually I ran Onyx and instructed it to Verify my Mac’s file structure, and rebuild my Mailboxes. That worked amazingly well, and cleared off just over 300GB of space - nearly a third of my drive’s capacity. I may have lost some mail in the process, but so far I haven’t found any specific messages missing. I assume it was some weird file-bloating Mail craziness.


I ran again WhatSize again and it still showed my HD was using 1.32TB — better than before but still basically impossible. The Mail library alone still allegedly takes up 750GB, which is again not possible.


Furthermore, the last Time Machine backup I was last able to successfully complete was on June 1. Since then I’ve not gotten past 48% backed up even if I’ve left the machine on for a couple days.


Otherwise things seem to run fine until the computer has been on most of the day. Mail runs very smoothly until late in the evening when it starts grinding to a halt, and I get nothing but spinning beach balls and eventually have to restart. At this point the fans start running fast and I’ll check Activity Monitor which looks like the following:



I have tried booting into safe mode, but when the computer restarts it immediately starts slowing to a crawl and the simplest commands such as opening a folder window become excruciating exercises, and eventually I can’t do anything so I have no choice but to restart. It is my understanding that this is the opposite of how booting into safe mode typically works.


I’ve posted abbreviated versions of this before, but never so comprehensive an accounting. Thank you for reading this far.


Any guesses?



MacBook Pro with Touch Bar

Posted on Jun 29, 2022 10:46 PM

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Posted on Jul 1, 2022 11:12 AM

This system is an incredible MESS!


Beside the issue, already pointed out, of useless and damaging applications...


You apparently have been upgrading in place and from mac to mac for over a decade.


You still have Startup Items - a feature that has been deprecated since 10.10 Yosemite.

You still have Perian - which was extremely useful a decade or so ago, but has not worked for years.


You many agents and daemons built with 10.8 and 10.9 SDK.


It is so inviting to keep upgrading, but the thing is, at some point old stuff breaks.

It is recommended that you


1) Make a full backup, preferably two

2) make a bootable installer in a usb thumb drive

3) boot from this installer, run Disk Utility and completely erase the internal drive

4) install

5) migrate ONLY the user accounts


Be amazed at how well your mac will perform.




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Jul 1, 2022 11:12 AM in response to Faux Hulot

This system is an incredible MESS!


Beside the issue, already pointed out, of useless and damaging applications...


You apparently have been upgrading in place and from mac to mac for over a decade.


You still have Startup Items - a feature that has been deprecated since 10.10 Yosemite.

You still have Perian - which was extremely useful a decade or so ago, but has not worked for years.


You many agents and daemons built with 10.8 and 10.9 SDK.


It is so inviting to keep upgrading, but the thing is, at some point old stuff breaks.

It is recommended that you


1) Make a full backup, preferably two

2) make a bootable installer in a usb thumb drive

3) boot from this installer, run Disk Utility and completely erase the internal drive

4) install

5) migrate ONLY the user accounts


Be amazed at how well your mac will perform.




Jul 1, 2022 4:29 AM in response to Faux Hulot

Understand, we are all working Remotely from all around the world. 


Therefore, we do not have the On-Hands experience the User ( you ) has with this computer.


The next best thing for us to having an actual On-Hand experience on this computer is to follow the steps below


Download the Application Etrecheck directly from a well Respected ASC Contributor. And Safe to use.


The application is free or paid from added features. 


Run the application with Full Disc Access ( Security & Privacy - Full Disc Access ).



It will take a Snap Shot -  both the hardware and software.


 The Report will Not Reveal Any Personal Information. 


Post back the Full Report - copy and paste - using the Additional Text Icon ( 3rd Icon to last )



We can have a look at the report for possible issues and may have possible suggestions to resolve the issues.

Jul 1, 2022 1:43 PM in response to Faux Hulot

Very much agree with assessments provided by @Luis S .


A fresh start with a clean drive and be very selective what is reinstalled.


The method below should not be entered into lightly and be certain of all the steps and the consequences.


Scorched Earth Method 


This method will WIPE ALL Data and there is No Recovery - Period.


To perform this action will require booting from a Bootable Installer


The Bootable Installer can Only be performed on an Apple Computer 


This will have to be performed from a Qualifying Computer to run the version of macOS to be made on the Bootable Installer.


Only Example : Bootable Installer of Big Sur would have to be done on a computer that Qualifies to run Big Sur.


Notation: If the computer being used to perform this action is Too New or Too Old to qualify to run the version of macOS - this computer can not be used.


Alternative is, to gain access to a Qualifying Apple Computer from a family member, friend or associate.


Once that is done read on for preparing the Destination computer  >> Only works on Intel Based Apple Computers.


Extra Special Notation regarding the Touch ID equipped Apple Computer.


About Startup Security Utility and Must Enable from Recovery Mode the ability to boot from External Drive Before Attempting 


1 - Shutdown computer and disconnect all external drive Except the newly created Bootable Installer.


2- Restart and immediately hold the OPTION key until the Startup Manager appears and choose the USB Drive. 


3 - It will present options >> Disk Utilities >> View >> View ALL attached Drives. 


4 - Choose the Upper Most Drive ( not the volumes indented and list below ).


5 - The drive normally is called Apple Media or Apple SSD - that is the drive to Erase and format as APFS with the GUID Partition Map. This applies to macOS 10.14 Mojave and above. 


6 - Once that is done >> backup out of Disk Utilities and choose install macOS. 


7 - Follow the prompts and it may automatically reboot several time. 


8 - Upon a final reboot - Setup Assist will present with the newer version of macOS.


Jul 2, 2022 11:19 PM in response to Owl-53

Thank you very much for this, P. Phillips. As I also told Luis Sequeira1, I had no idea that my years of updating in place would cause so many headaches, I'm grateful for your assistance in getting me on the right track.


I'm currently in the middle of a project that I need to finish before attempting the maneuver you've described, but I'll do this about two weeks from now. Thank you again and wish me luck!

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