SE30 Screen with vertical stripes

First post. Even though I have an eMac, G3, and PowerPC, I
still use my old SE30 as a midi sequencer. I turned it on
yesterday for the first time after a 2 month rest. The SE30
boots and software runs. However, there are a series of
1/8 inch vertical stripes running from top to bottom.
The stripes are an 1/8 inch apart. It's like looking
at the desktop through jail cell bars (not that I've ever
been there to see). You can peek through to see menus
but can't see complete words. Has the screen's power supply
gone bad or is there something I can do to remove the bars?
Thanks.

SE30 Mac OS 8.6 or Earlier 1/8 inch vertical stripes on screen

Posted on Dec 1, 2005 6:21 PM

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Dec 1, 2005 7:57 PM in response to MaxRays

MaxRays
Welcome to the Discussions.

As a quick glance at this and this shows, the one-bit monochrome AIO Classic Macs have a heap of potential causes of their video problems. Because they have no dedicated VRAM, and pillage the main RAM for video, and because their open, discrete-component analogue boards and video control circuitry are both old and crude, these are the places of most frequent fault. Cold solder joints, burns, failed components, loose RAM and grubby (corroded) RAM slots and 'fingers' on the RAM cards are very likely. The AIOs are similar enough that their video faults are also similar in cause and cure.

If a fault remains after macro-component inspection and repair (clean RAM contacts, resolder, reseat, replace), it becomes more likely that the logic board is faulty. Washing with distinctly warm water containing a couple of drops of kitchen detergent, applied firmly from a spray bottle, is very effective. Careful focus is needed on the areas near the larger axial electrolytics, and around the much smaller 'chip' capacitors. At least two warm rinses with clean water should follow. Allowing the board to dry thoroughly for several days is essential. And all of this may still have to be followed by replacement of a dozen-odd capacitors if you have not overcome so far.

Dec 1, 2005 9:11 PM in response to MaxRays

MaxRays
Grant and I concur, especially in the case of Jailhouse Mac. You will see cleaning the contact fingers of RAM cards addressed in these Discussions, most often in the context of 72-pin cards and later. The 30-pin cards have solder-plastered copper contacts, as opposed to the gold-flashed copper of more recent production.

Apart from grounding yourself before, during and after the cleaning, keep in mind that solder is softer than gold on copper, that cleaning movement should be along the 'fingers' rather than across, and that a plastic scourer will be more effective than the pencil-eraser used for gold-on-copper. Scrupulously clean the card of detritus before replacing it in the RAM slot. Lucky you if you have an SE/30 board with metal, rather than plastic, RAM clips. The plastic version breaks even under your intent gaze, so be careful. The retention force on the SIMMs in their slots is enough for the solder to be penetrated by the mating contacts, which, despite the oxidizability of solder, should spare you repetition of the process in the near future.

Dec 9, 2005 8:16 AM in response to Denis Eddy

You know, I hadn't thought about going inside this one.
Even though I've been in my other 3 MACS, I had assumed
you needed the "safe cracker" tool (8" long allen wrench)
that we used on the old SEs. But now that I looked, I
may be able to get it open to check.

MaxRays
Welcome to the Discussions.

As a quick glance at this and this shows, the
one-bit monochrome AIO Classic Macs have a heap of
potential causes of their video problems. Because
they have no dedicated VRAM, and pillage the main RAM
for video, and because their open, discrete-component
analogue boards and video control circuitry are both
old and crude, these are the places of most frequent
fault. Cold solder joints, burns, failed components,
loose RAM and grubby (corroded) RAM slots and
'fingers' on the RAM cards are very likely. The AIOs
are similar enough that their video faults are also
similar in cause and cure.

If a fault remains after macro-component inspection
and repair (clean RAM contacts, resolder, reseat,
replace), it becomes more likely that the logic board
is faulty. Washing with distinctly warm water
containing a couple of drops of kitchen detergent,
applied firmly from a spray bottle, is very
effective. Careful focus is needed on the areas near
the larger axial electrolytics, and around the much
smaller 'chip' capacitors. At least two warm rinses
with clean water should follow. Allowing the board to
dry thoroughly for several days is essential. And all
of this may still have to be followed by replacement
of a dozen-odd capacitors if you have not overcome so
far.

Dec 10, 2005 12:59 PM in response to Denis Eddy

I opened up the case today.
Got to the memory board that is underneath.
Was unable to fully remove board so I
couldn't reach the SIMMs to remove and clean
them. Did blow out the dust. Dry cleaning didn't help.
----------------------------------------------------------
8. Jail Bar Pattern or Smile Mac in Jail

Symptoms
When you turn on the SE/30, the monitor displays vertical stripes (jail bar pattern) with/without a smile Mac. The memory was upgraded recently. The SE/30 was completely nomal before memory upgrade.

Diagnosis
SIMMs were inserted to the wrong SIMM slots/banks.

Solutions
The working memory configurations for the SE/30 are shown in the table below.
Check and re-insert the SIMMs.
-----------------------------------------------------------


MaxRays
Welcome to the Discussions.

As a quick glance at this and this shows, the
one-bit monochrome AIO Classic Macs have a heap of
potential causes of their video problems. Because
they have no dedicated VRAM, and pillage the main RAM
for video, and because their open, discrete-component
analogue boards and video control circuitry are both
old and crude, these are the places of most frequent
fault. Cold solder joints, burns, failed components,
loose RAM and grubby (corroded) RAM slots and
'fingers' on the RAM cards are very likely. The AIOs
are similar enough that their video faults are also
similar in cause and cure.

If a fault remains after macro-component inspection
and repair (clean RAM contacts, resolder, reseat,
replace), it becomes more likely that the logic board
is faulty. Washing with distinctly warm water
containing a couple of drops of kitchen detergent,
applied firmly from a spray bottle, is very
effective. Careful focus is needed on the areas near
the larger axial electrolytics, and around the much
smaller 'chip' capacitors. At least two warm rinses
with clean water should follow. Allowing the board to
dry thoroughly for several days is essential. And all
of this may still have to be followed by replacement
of a dozen-odd capacitors if you have not overcome so
far.

Dec 10, 2005 1:00 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

I opened up the case today.
Got to the memory board that is underneath.
Was unable to fully remove board so I
couldn't reach the SIMMs to remove and clean
them. Did blow out the dust. Dry cleaning didn't help.

----------------------------------------------------------
8. Jail Bar Pattern or Smile Mac in Jail

Symptoms
When you turn on the SE/30, the monitor displays vertical stripes (jail bar pattern) with/without a smile Mac. The memory was upgraded recently. The SE/30 was completely nomal before memory upgrade.

Diagnosis
SIMMs were inserted to the wrong SIMM slots/banks.

Solutions
The working memory configurations for the SE/30 are shown in the table below.
Check and re-insert the SIMMs.
-----------------------------------------------------------

I would look first to the easy adjustment, re-seating
the RAM modules. I think I have seen the jail bars
while doing memory upgrades, and Denis's second link
above talks only about RAM problems for the jail
bars.

You may yet have to do some of the more drastic
measures, but start with the easy (er) ones.

Dec 10, 2005 1:01 PM in response to Denis Eddy

I opened up the case today.
Got to the memory board that is underneath.
Was unable to fully remove board so I
couldn't reach the SIMMs to remove and clean
them. Did blow out the dust. Dry cleaning didn't help.

----------------------------------------------------------
8. Jail Bar Pattern or Smile Mac in Jail

Symptoms
When you turn on the SE/30, the monitor displays vertical stripes (jail bar pattern) with/without a smile Mac. The memory was upgraded recently. The SE/30 was completely nomal before memory upgrade.

Diagnosis
SIMMs were inserted to the wrong SIMM slots/banks.

Solutions
The working memory configurations for the SE/30 are shown in the table below.
Check and re-insert the SIMMs.
-----------------------------------------------------------

MaxRays
Grant and I concur, especially in the case of
Jailhouse Mac. You will see cleaning the contact
fingers of RAM cards addressed in these Discussions,
most often in the context of 72-pin cards and later.
The 30-pin cards have solder-plastered copper
contacts, as opposed to the gold-flashed copper of
more recent production.

Apart from grounding yourself before, during and
after the cleaning, keep in mind that solder is
softer than gold on copper, that cleaning movement
should be along the 'fingers' rather than
across, and that a plastic scourer will be
more effective than the pencil-eraser used for
gold-on-copper. Scrupulously clean the card of
detritus before replacing it in the RAM slot. Lucky
you if you have an SE/30 board with metal, rather
than plastic, RAM clips. The plastic version breaks
even under your intent gaze, so be careful. The
retention force on the SIMMs in their slots is enough
for the solder to be penetrated by the mating
contacts, which, despite the oxidizability of solder,
should spare you repetition of the process in the
near future.

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