Mac Pro 5,1 won't open Boot menu

I have just moved all my projects to shiny new MacBook Pro M1 Pro and plan to sell my trusted Mac Pro... To create a clean macOS High Sierra installation I've erased drive in disk utility. But when selecting Install new macOS it's window's 'shut down' button is greyed out - so I can't take that route.

Tried installing from USB drive but power/alt sequence does not progress.


On my MacBook Pro (Intel) High Sierra, I used a USB HS installer and created an HS installation on a sata ssd (docking station), hoping I could connect to my MP and it would run. Unfortunately another nonstarter.


My computer knowledge is fairly basic so I hope someone can point me in the right direction.


PS: I was able to install HS from a Time Machine backup and everything ran as expected, but I'm stuck with all my personal data on there...


Thanks in advance,


Dave



Mac Pro, 10.12

Posted on Sep 20, 2022 12:14 PM

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Posted on Oct 3, 2022 12:17 PM

I thought I had successfully installed High Sierra on sata ssd, (via MBP). Connected it up in MP but still couldn't boot into it. No key command options worked. After a couple of days of trying Command+R my MP finally booted into the external CCC backup - I put the drive into a different usb slot and it worked... it had worked in previous slot before.


Installed OS on HD from backup... I hoped to boot up in recover mode and then do clean HS install to ssd from usb installer. but MP still wouldn't boot.


The issue turned out to be the ssd formatting. When erasing drive I had used APFS, it should have been macOS Extended. Although HS uses APFS, the MP 5,1 shipped with Sierra - which is macOS Extended. Now, with the reformatted ssd I booted into Recovery Mode and from there reinstalled Sierra from Apple. So all ended well...


I've never come across an intermittent USB connection before, (CCC Backup drive), but it certainly muddied the waters when trying to diagnose where my problem lay - two unconnected issues occurring simultaneously...


Thanks for the trouble you've taken to steer me through all of this, much appreciated... I've now got a clean Mac Pro macOS Sierra I can put up for sale.






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Oct 3, 2022 12:17 PM in response to Le Batch

I thought I had successfully installed High Sierra on sata ssd, (via MBP). Connected it up in MP but still couldn't boot into it. No key command options worked. After a couple of days of trying Command+R my MP finally booted into the external CCC backup - I put the drive into a different usb slot and it worked... it had worked in previous slot before.


Installed OS on HD from backup... I hoped to boot up in recover mode and then do clean HS install to ssd from usb installer. but MP still wouldn't boot.


The issue turned out to be the ssd formatting. When erasing drive I had used APFS, it should have been macOS Extended. Although HS uses APFS, the MP 5,1 shipped with Sierra - which is macOS Extended. Now, with the reformatted ssd I booted into Recovery Mode and from there reinstalled Sierra from Apple. So all ended well...


I've never come across an intermittent USB connection before, (CCC Backup drive), but it certainly muddied the waters when trying to diagnose where my problem lay - two unconnected issues occurring simultaneously...


Thanks for the trouble you've taken to steer me through all of this, much appreciated... I've now got a clean Mac Pro macOS Sierra I can put up for sale.






Sep 20, 2022 1:07 PM in response to Le Batch

Things to try...


Open System Preferences>Accounts, unlock the lock, click on the little plus icon, make a new admin account, log out & into the new account.

In the same pref pane highlight your old account, click the little minus icon, then use Disk Utility to Secure Erase Free Space.


Or...


1. Start up from macOS Recovery

To start up from macOS Recovery, turn on your Mac and immediately press and hold one of the following combinations on your keyboard. Command-R is generally recommended, especially if you never installed macOS Sierra 10.12.4 or later… How to reinstall macOS - Apple Support

Command (⌘)-R

Install the latest macOS that was installed on your Mac.


Option-⌘-R

Upgrade to the latest macOS compatible with your Mac.


Shift-Option-⌘-R

Install the macOS that came with your Mac, or the closest version still available.


2. Decide whether to erase (format) your disk

If you need to erase your disk before installing macOS, select Disk Utility from the Utilities window, then click Continue. You probably don't need to erase, unless you're selling or giving away your Mac or have an issue that requires you to erase. Learn more about when and how to erase.

3. Install macOS

After starting up from macOS Recovery, follow these steps to install macOS:

  1. Choose Reinstall macOS (or Reinstall OS X) from the Utilities window.
  2. Click Continue, then follow the onscreen instructions to choose your disk and begin installation.
  3. If the installer asks to unlock your disk, enter the password you use to log in to your Mac. If it doesn't see your disk, or it says that it can't install on your computer or volume, you might need to erase your disk


  1. Please allow installation to complete without putting your Mac to sleep or closing its lid. During installation, your Mac might restart and show a progress bar several times, and the screen might be empty for minutes at a time.

If your Mac restarts to a setup assistant, but you're selling or giving it away, press Command-Q to quit the assistant without completing setup. Then click Shut Down. When the new owner starts up the Mac, they can use their own information to complete setup.



If you never installed macOS Sierra 10.12.4

If macOS Sierra 10.12.4 or later was never installed on your Mac, macOS Recovery works differently:

  • Command-R is still the recommended way to start up from macOS Recovery. This combination makes sure that the installation isn't associated with your Apple ID, which is important if you're selling or giving away your Mac.
  • Option-Command-R installs the macOS that came with your Mac, or the closest version still available.
  • Shift-Option-Command-R isn't available.

How to reinstall macOS - Apple Support 


Oh, are you using a wired USB Keyboard?



Sep 20, 2022 1:42 PM in response to BDAqua

HI there,


As I'm planning to sell my Mac Pro I've gone the recovery mode route, erasing drive disc in Disk Utility. The problem arises when I choose 'reinstall macOS', and the installer pain comes up saying the firmware needs updating and requests shut down... but the 'shut down' command is greyed out, so I can't update the firmware. I've read a few posts on the same problem, that's why I tried installing from a USB installer - using power/alt... but the computer won't boot. My final route was to create a installation on another Mac, which didn't work out.


I am using a wired keyboard

Sep 23, 2022 10:11 AM in response to BDAqua

Sorry for delay in replying, first chance I've had to check things out.


Changed battery but still not opening in recovery... although the Mac did boot into installed High Sierra, which it had stopped doing before battery change, so was able to enter the Terminal command from your link, 'sudo nvram manufacturing-enter-picker=true', but I'm getting message 'command not found'.


I had created a USB High Sierra installer which I connected and shows up in disk utility, is there a terminal command that will instigate installation from USB installer.






Sep 23, 2022 10:30 AM in response to Le Batch


  • Open an application from anywhere. The open command normally requires you to input the full file path from your current directory. However, adding -a followed by the name of an application instructs Terminal to open that Application, no matter where it is located. For example:[2]To open iTunes:
  • open -a iTunes
  • Use quotation marks if the application has a space in its name:
  • open -a "App Store"


How to Open Applications Using Terminal on Mac: 12 Steps (wikihow.com)

Sep 24, 2022 9:03 AM in response to BDAqua

I'm not sure I understand how using the terminal command to open apps as outlined in your link would help me in my dilemma.


Reading my last post I realise it wasn't clear exactly what I was wanting to achieve.


If I connect my Installer macOS High Sierra USB drive to my Macbook Pro could I install a complete HS installation on an attached external sata ssd, with the view to slot into the Mac Pro and boot up from that?

Sep 25, 2022 3:09 AM in response to BDAqua

Yes that's I want to do. Tried this before but wouldn't boot up when connected to MP so thought the method I had used hadn't work... when I connected the drive to MBP the get info showed the memory used on the HD, (can't remember exact figure), but it seemed too low to be a complete macOS.


I've tried as you suggested again but MP not booting to it. I reset nvram, then straight power on. Then command+R and Alt at boot up, with no success.


Yesterday I was able to boot to a Carbon Clone backup external drive and run HS.. not working today - this happened before. Maybe I need to leave it for a bit - after all the various startup attempts I've tried.


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