Sea Monkey will not open with Ventura MacOS on 10/27/22.

Here is the MacOS (Ventura) warning message that is consistently presented to me when SeaMonkey 2.23.14 consistently crashes upon start-up:

seamonkey[17375:1575941] *** WARNING: Textured window <ToolbarWindow: 0x113abe000> is getting an implicitly transparent titlebar. This will break when linking against newer SDKs. Use NSWindow's -titlebarAppearsTransparent=YES instead.

Tried that. Had to create an account, which I did. I then verified it, logged in, and posted about the issue. Or tried to. By the time I finished my query my account had been manually disabled by an administrator. No idea why. But it doesn't look like there's going to be much help from that route. :-)

And, no, I didn't say anything ugly. Very odd.

Thunderbird works fine for email but I am using the Composer portion of SeaMonkay for my web page. In true Apple fashion, right on que, has disabled yet another valuable application that I need. It worked on Monterey on my M1...

Adam Berkey wrote:

Thunderbird works fine for email but I am using the Composer portion of SeaMonkay for my web page. In true Apple fashion, right on que, has disabled yet another valuable application that I need. It worked on Monterey on my M1...

Apple didn’t disable anything. Developers are responsible for keeping their software up-to-date with Apple’s changes. not the other way around. If Apple had to verify all third party software continued to work or wait for developers to get up to speed before releasing an update there wouldn’t be any updates. As I pointed out in an earlier post developers have had many MONTHS to ensure their software was ready for Ventura. Your issue is with the developer of that "valuable application that I need”. And perhaps, if that application is so important to you, you might have waited before installing Ventura. You would have noticed this thread and others and waited for a fix from the developer, right?

Crossover, Download Windows SeaMonkey latest, create a Win7 or later bottle.

Looks like crap but it works so far. That is, if you already have Crossover... if you don't have Crossover, then this route will cost you money.

Adam Berkey wrote:

Crossover, Download Windows SeaMonkey latest, create a Win7 or later bottle.

Looks like crap but it works so far. That is, if you already have Crossover... if you don't have Crossover, then this route will cost you money.

A general rule is that once a Mac app stops working and someone suggests using Crossover instead, the app is officially dead.

Appreciate the recommendation, but I've had my share of VMs, frankly, from my days as an IT manager at ATT. No doubt newer ones are better, but if I wanted to shell out more than I decided to pay for BBEdit, I'd just go for a Dreamweaver subscription. As it is, I'm willing to wait and see if the SeaMonkey folks get their act together.

I do wish to apologize for being so aggressive with my response. I had just cone from another thread in which the user actually said they expected a personal phone call from Apple to advise them that SeaMonkey would not work with Ventura and to hold off installing. Yes, that user really said that.

BbEdit does not appear to me to be anything like Composer. There are apps on the app store that are WYSIWYG but I have not tried them yet. If they are anything like iWeb, the site will end up being a monsterosity in terms of file sizes. Composer in SeaMonkey and Netscape and Komposer (also doesn’t work on M1/M2) made bare bones sites with WYSIWYG.

You're absolutely right about BBEDit, but I'm currently using it simply because I started creating web sites back when everything was text-based, so I'm comfortable with it, even though I'd rather than a decent WYSIWYG interface. If you or anyone else knows of an alternative to SeaMonkey Composer, I'd be interested in hearing about it. I mean, I could buy Dreamweaver, but with a subscription price of $30 a month I'd rather not. :-)

Since I have templates for all my sites that I can edit very clearly via the CotEditor, so I only need the code for the body, I now help myself with an online html-composer like https://html5-editor.net/ when I put texts online.

FYI, from the SeaMonkey site (https://www.seamonkey-project.org/):

"November 6, 2022

SeaMonkey and macOS Ventura

Attention macOS users! The current SeaMonkey release crashes during startup after upgrading to macOS 13 Ventura. Until we have a fix we advise you not to upgrade your macOS installation to Ventura. No usable crash information is generated and this might take a bit longer than usual to fix. This is not a problem with Monterey 12.6.1 or any lower supported macOS version so might even be an Apple bug.

The problem is tracked in Bug 1797696."

So, passing the buck, apparently. Best to look for alternatives, IMO.

Beta version is working on Ventura:

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14943272#p14943272

Official nightly releases are here:

https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/nightly/2022/

I'm using seamonkey-2.53.16b1pre.en-US.mac.dmg and it is working...

Be sure to let them know…

https://www.seamonkey-project.org/community