Re: Should we be worried about folder Biome, and the BiomeAgent and biomesyncd processes?

Hi, I just came across the issue that was mentioned earlier in "Should we be worried about folder Biome, … - Apple Community" (https://discussions.apple.com/thread/253811686).


I would like some more information about the purpose of this Biome mechanism. I already understand that it collects some kind of data for suggestions. Well, ok.


The internet doesn't reveal much about the topic. This surprises me. The only interesting information I could find is at https://eclecticlight.co/2022/06/27/biome-isnt-about-biometrics-but-suggestions/.


However, as this is bringing up severe privacy concerns, some important questions remain unanswered:


Can it be turned off? What functions will be lost as a result?


Is this data made available to anyone?


I am quite concerned about the fact that some Apple magic is preventing access to the data in ~/Library/Biome. Combined with the fact that there doesn't seem to be any noteworthy documentation about this feature, this doesn't exactly breed confidence in the Apple operating system.

Posted on Nov 6, 2022 5:21 AM

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Nov 11, 2022 3:04 PM in response to ststefa

ststefa wrote:

Can it be turned off?

Not easily.

What functions will be lost as a result?

No clue.

Is this data made available to anyone?

To you, in the form of more a more useful and meaningful user experience.

I am quite concerned about the fact that some Apple magic is preventing access to the data in ~/Library/Biome.

There is no Apple magic preventing access to data in ~/Library/Biome. It's your data. As they say on the internet, move fast and break things. If you start randomly deleting data in a "Library" folder, you will break things.

Combined with the fact that there doesn't seem to be any noteworthy documentation about this feature, this doesn't exactly breed confidence in the Apple operating system.

The Apple operating system does not breed confidence, it breeds money. If you don't have confidence, you are free to use some other kind of system. Have you been to an Apple Store lately? They aren't hurting.

Nov 15, 2022 2:08 AM in response to RaulRCastillo

That's exactly the kind of behaviour that worries me. I have a similar behaviour with my backup. Sometimes it will report files there as inaccessible, sometimes not. This is not reflected through the regular (posix) file permissions.


Also, these files (I used ~/Library/Biome/streams/restricted/MailContent/local/tombstone/669836635324984 as an example) are readable by some apps (e.g. "VsCode") but not by others (e.g. "less"). The same is true for other things. For example, I can browse the ~/Library/Biome tree with the Finder, but when I use "find" on the command line, it reports "Operation not permitted".


There seems to be some kind of alternate access restriction mechanism. I would like to have some details about that.

Nov 15, 2022 2:13 AM in response to etresoft

Confidence is not something that you have (unless you're naive), it is something that is earned, for example by being transparent. I would argue it should be in Apples best interest to be transparent. I'd go as far as to claim that an intransparent system has a severe problem longterm. We're living in the age of connectedness. An intransparent system digs its own grave.

Nov 15, 2022 8:43 AM in response to ststefa

ststefa wrote:

Confidence is not something that you have (unless you're naive), it is something that is earned, for example by being transparent.

I can assure you that being transparent is a bad idea. The normal people you would be wanting to have confidence in your system through your transparency don't care. Most efforts at transparency will be used against you by malicious actors. I am telling you this from direct, personal experience.

I would argue it should be in Apples best interest to be transparent. I'd go as far as to claim that an intransparent system has a severe problem longterm. We're living in the age of connectedness. An intransparent system digs its own grave.

As I said above, you are free to use any products you want. If you aren't happy with Apple's opacity, you can use something else. Your complaints are futile. Your continued use of Apple's products demonstrates your acceptance of Apple's policies far more than any posts on a user-to-user support forum ever will. It's not about confidence or connectedness, it's about money. Your money, now in Apple's bank account, speaks louder than your internet posts ever will.


Apple's most recently quarterly financial results were $19.4B in profit from $83B in revenue, both higher than expectations. That's hardly "one foot in the grave" territory.


PS: If you want to explore that Biome folder in Terminal, you'll need to give Terminal Full Disk Access. Malware, adware, and trackers will thank you for your transparency.

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