Errors while updating from 11.7.2 Big Sur to Ventura 13.1 or Monterey 12.1

macOS Big Sur

Version 11.7.2

MacBook Pro (16-inch, 2019)

2.6 GHz 6-core Intel Core i7

16 GB 2667 MHz DDR4

Intel UHD Graphics 630 1536 MB


I have been trying to complete the newest software update. I have not been updating regularly which I am assuming may be one of my problems. I tried to upgrade to macOS Ventura 13.1, which is what shows when I got to software update in system preferences.




I get this error every time I attempt the upgrade. I have restarted, restarted in safe mode, as well as tried to reinstall the Mac OS from recovery mode. None of it works. Always the same result.



I have used WiFi and ethernet. I've scoured this board to try and find a fix.


When I am try it in recovery mode it gives me this status bar screen:



But doesn't move from that. It stays "about 2 hours and 21 minutes remaining" for about 20 minutes and then it gives me this error:




I tried to move from Big Sur to Monterey thinking that perhaps I needed to go from 11 to 12 before 13. This is the error I get when I try to upgrade to Monterey:



“The operation couldn’t be completed. (PKDownloadError error 8.)"


I'm not sure what is wrong and I would love any advice on how to fix this. I appreciate any help! Thanks!





MacBook Pro 16″, macOS 11.7

Posted on Dec 23, 2022 5:36 PM

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Posted on Dec 26, 2022 1:04 PM

You are correct about not leapfrogging macOS versions that can result in a lot of trouble. Upgrading to Monterey first is highly recommended.


First thing I would do is create a bootable USB flash installer of Big Sur. Then I would boot from the flash installer and unlock the internal disk and run Disk Utility First Aid on the internal SSD. I would run it multiple times. Be sure to click the View menu and Show All Devices. Start from the APFS container disk volume and then progress upwards to each other container volume then test the container level itself and then the entire hardware disk. I suspect it's going to find and fix disk problems. You will need a USB flash disk that is 16GB or larger.


Create a bootable installer for macOS - Apple Support


You may need to get into Recovery mode and go to Utilities menu and click on Startup Security and allow USB Booting so you can actually boot from the installer USB flash drive.


Use Terminal to list the versions of macOS available and download Monterey using this Mac and no other Mac.


softwareupdate --list-full-installers

softwareupdate --fetch-full-installer --full-installer-version 12.6.2


That will create /Applications/Install macOS Monterey


Then try booting into Safe Mode by holding the Shift key while powering on until you reach the login prompt. Let go of Shift and then login. A second login will appear, login again. Then go to Applications and run the Install macOS Monterey.







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Dec 26, 2022 1:04 PM in response to Pearljamluvr

You are correct about not leapfrogging macOS versions that can result in a lot of trouble. Upgrading to Monterey first is highly recommended.


First thing I would do is create a bootable USB flash installer of Big Sur. Then I would boot from the flash installer and unlock the internal disk and run Disk Utility First Aid on the internal SSD. I would run it multiple times. Be sure to click the View menu and Show All Devices. Start from the APFS container disk volume and then progress upwards to each other container volume then test the container level itself and then the entire hardware disk. I suspect it's going to find and fix disk problems. You will need a USB flash disk that is 16GB or larger.


Create a bootable installer for macOS - Apple Support


You may need to get into Recovery mode and go to Utilities menu and click on Startup Security and allow USB Booting so you can actually boot from the installer USB flash drive.


Use Terminal to list the versions of macOS available and download Monterey using this Mac and no other Mac.


softwareupdate --list-full-installers

softwareupdate --fetch-full-installer --full-installer-version 12.6.2


That will create /Applications/Install macOS Monterey


Then try booting into Safe Mode by holding the Shift key while powering on until you reach the login prompt. Let go of Shift and then login. A second login will appear, login again. Then go to Applications and run the Install macOS Monterey.







Jan 23, 2023 12:20 PM in response to Pearljamluvr

I've had better luck from the Safe Mode because I evidently have some 3rd party software that interferes with the installation so try the following:

#1 - boot into Safe Mode according to Start up your Mac in safe mode - Apple Support.

NOTE: Safe Mode boot can take up to 3-5 minutes as it's doing the following; 
• Verifies your startup disk and attempts to repair directory issues, if needed
• Loads only required kernel extensions (prevents 3rd party kernel/extensions from loading)
• Prevents Startup Items and Login Items from opening automatically
• Disables user-installed fonts 
• Deletes font caches, kernel cache, and other system cache files

#2 - go to the System/Software Update preference pane and begin the download.

#3 - run the installer from the Safe Mode.


Jan 23, 2023 7:26 PM in response to Pearljamluvr

You mentioned you were a network engineer. Are you running any network security tooling? Any fancy proxy, packet inspection, pi-hole DNS filtering, ad-blocking, VPN, firewall, etc.? Apple does some checks with signatures that can get blocked and that will ruin your day.


Info for network professionals:

Use Apple products on enterprise networks - Apple Support




Jan 28, 2023 12:02 PM in response to Pearljamluvr

For what it's worth I wanted to document how this got fixed. I wish it was something I did on my own after all the hours I spent trying to make it work. I downloaded MDS and I was able to download the macOS however, no matter what I did I could not get it to create a bootable disk.


I decided it was time to erase and reinstall. I did a Time Machine back up and I used command R to erase. At first I thought it was going to work. It did erase everything. However, it would not reinstall the OS and came up with a folder and ? blinking. I tried to do option command R and grab the latest OS from the web. But that didn't work either - folder and ? blinking again.


I took it in to the Apple Store and showed them the issue and gave them all of the steps I had taken. The tech used a thumb drive he had as a bootable disk of Ventura. He started by erasing again in disk utility but instead of from the Mac HD it was even higher up (if that makes sense). Once he had erased it that way he used his thumb drive to install Ventura. I brought it home and used my Time Machine back up. And viola. I wish that I had know I could erase the disk in this way and that would have saved me a trip. I asked him why nothing like this is out on the discussion boards and he had his theories. ;)


I also learned that the PKdownload error error8 is not exclusively to do with a network issue on my end. But can also mean that there is a network issue on Apple's end. (Apple Store employee told me.).


Thanks you @Old Toad and @James Brickley for your help. I'm glad this forum is out here for those of us who like to fix our own issues. Even when in the end I didn't do it alone. :)

Jan 24, 2023 8:57 AM in response to Pearljamluvr

My last suggestion is to take a flash drive, at least 16 GB in size, into an Apple Store or Authorized Service provider and see if they will create a bootable installer on the drive.


Another possibility would be go download the free open source app MDS and download the Ventura 13.2 installer or create a bootable installer with MDS (you'll need the flash drive).




Dec 26, 2022 1:08 PM in response to Pearljamluvr

Hey there Pearljamluvr,


Thanks for reaching out to the Apple Support Communities. To get started, you've done a great job troubleshooting the issue already.


Based on the steps that you have tried, the next best option would be to reach out to Apple Support directly from this link here: Get Support - Apple Support


They'll be the best option to look closer into the issue from there.


Take care!

Dec 27, 2022 3:12 PM in response to Pearljamluvr

See if you can grab the install.log file from /var/log and copy/paste its contents using the Additional Text button in reply.


I recently ran into pkdownload error 3 which is different than the 8 error but the log gave me a clue as to what the problem was. In my case, it was related to a corporate network proxy that was interfering with a certificate signature check on installing a macOS12 Compatible App List pkg. I was able to manually install that package from the Apple CDN URL in the logs and then the installer worked.


I am thinking that error 8 is totally different but the install.log will have the additional details to point to the root cause of the failure.

Jan 23, 2023 8:09 PM in response to James Brickley

I do have a VPN installed but it is not running. Would it still cause this issue? Of note: I also have a Mac mini that I also run a VPN on and it upgraded from Big Sur to Monterey fine (granted when it was available and not later) and then from Monterey to Ventura fine. I can delete my VPN app and try again. If it's that simple I'm going to kick myself.

Jan 17, 2023 4:47 PM in response to James Brickley

I could not create a bootable installer. :( I was working in Terminal for a while. It didn't like all of the commands I was typing in. I used:



sudo /Applications/Install\ macOS\ Big\ Sur.app/Contents/Resources/createinstallmedia --volume /Volumes/MyVolume


and it asked me for password, which I input.


After that it says command not found. I am sure I am doing something wrong but I don't know what. I called Apple Support today and they wanted to walk through all the basic steps I've done a dozen times already.


Any help would be greatly appreciated. I just want to update my software. :(


Jan 23, 2023 1:03 PM in response to Old Toad

Thank you for this suggestion. I have tried that a few times. I just tried it again and no beans. It is super slow and makes its way to 12.4 MB and then installation failed error. I've tried it both connected to ethernet as well as wifi. Neither work. Any other suggestions? I'm all ears. I really don't want to have to call Apple Support again. They make you do all of the baby steps that I've done many times before they get someone to actually help.

Jan 23, 2023 6:32 PM in response to Old Toad

I’ve tried to do this in safe mode and in recovery mode. When I try to install from recovery mode I get the PK download error error 8. I looked on the boards and found that that could be caused by a bad network connection. I tried it again connected directly by Ethernet to my router. Still gives me the error 8. I am a network engineer and I work from home so I have a very high bandwidth very stable internet connection.


Other suggestions I’ve seen say to try from a boot drive. I’ve tried that by following the directions from James above. It still gives me “command not found”. I named the drive MyVolume and copied and pasted the prompt directly from the site mentioned. I am not sure what I’m doing wrong in terminal to keep getting command not found.


other suggestions on the discussion boards say to erase the disk. Would that be a last resort? If I do this how do I do it properly? And do I pull from my Time Machine back up to restore everything as it was? If I do this will I be able to upgrade from Big Sur to Monterey and then to Ventura?



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