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Is it possible to use Albums with a shared library?

Is it possible to use Albums with a shared library? I am not using Shared Albums, I am using a Shared Library.


I created a Shared Library. I moved pictures into it from my personal library by highlighting all pictures in an Album and designating that they be moved to the Shared Library, however, I cannot see how to move the Album structure with the pictures. I have 90,000 pictures that are in albums in my Personal Library on my iPhone and Mac, but in the shared library, all photos are in ONE place: the Shared Library for anyone but me. People I've Shared the Shared Library with, see 90,000 pictures in a flat structure (no Folders/Albums). There does not appear a way to bring my Folder/Album structure across to the Shared Library. This makes Shared Libraries mostly useless. Who would be willing to search through 90,000 photographs to find exactly what they are looking for? In terms of criticality, the Album/Folder issue is by far the most important; without structure, photos are hard to find. Has anyone been able to bring their folder/album structure across to the Shared Library so that other users can see and use the structure?


There are other issues:

    1. PEOPLE: the list of PEOPLE is not synchronized between iPhone and MAC. The iPhone list seems more comprehensive, but I cannot get that list into the MAC.
    2. I cannot add to PEOPLE using the Address Book as the ID source. I can click all the buttons, but then 'nothing happens': no thing is added to 'PEOPLE'.

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Posted on Feb 12, 2023 8:19 PM

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Posted on Mar 10, 2023 12:59 PM

This is quite possible the largest missed opportunity for Apple. While I am thankful I can now share an album with my wife, it is ridiculous to expect both of us to maintain the same albums, albeit separately, on separate devices. If a person creates an album, while in the shared library, then there should be an option to share that album with other users of the library. We have over 15,000 photos, and 150 albums, and we would have to create each album separately on each account. Come on!

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Mar 10, 2023 12:59 PM in response to SuperHumu

This is quite possible the largest missed opportunity for Apple. While I am thankful I can now share an album with my wife, it is ridiculous to expect both of us to maintain the same albums, albeit separately, on separate devices. If a person creates an album, while in the shared library, then there should be an option to share that album with other users of the library. We have over 15,000 photos, and 150 albums, and we would have to create each album separately on each account. Come on!

Feb 13, 2023 12:07 AM in response to SuperHumu

This is the expected behaviour. Right now, we can can share the photos, as a flat list, but without any structure like albums or folders.

I am adding keywords with the album name to the shared photos. Then we can easily collect the shared photos in a smart album with the rule "Keyword is ...". I am also adding the name of the person as a keyword to all photos in a People album, so the names will be transferred to the Shared Library.

It is the same problem as when importing photos directly from another library into our library. The photos will be imported, but not the albums and folders, not even the keywords.


Apr 5, 2023 8:50 AM in response to SuperHumu

I just created an iCloud Shared Library which I shared with my spouse. Two HUGE problems:


  1. All my spouse's photos are now also in the photo library on my iPhone - and vice-versa. And our Personal Libraries include only a handful of photos that cannot be moved into the Shared Library, such as screen shots. So now we are duplicating storage two ways and creating lots of confusion as to which photos were taken by whom. This duplication makes no sense. Is there any way to have only my photos stored on my iPhone and only my spouse's stored on her iPhone while using the Shared iCloud Library?
  2. Moving selected photos in the iCloud Shared Library into an album is "...not currently supported....". The primary reason for switching to a Shared Library in iCloud is that the Shared Album I'd created for a trip didn't upload to the iCloud. Unfortunately Apple didn't bother to warn me that a perfectly rational use of the Shared Library can't be used. When is Apple going to make this capability available? The inability to use albums renders the Shared Library useless.
  3. Is there anyway to undo the nonsense resulting from my (very) ill-advised decision to adopt a Shared iCloud Library?


Thanks much.

David

Feb 13, 2023 1:53 PM in response to léonie

léonie,


Yes, I think your are 100% correct. Adobe controls so much of the photography market that it is very difficult for others to break in. I think I am going to abandon trying to put 90,000+ photos into a Shared Library. My family will just have to learn a little bit about LightRoom. Thank you very much for your speedy replies. I do appreciate that you share your expertise and knowledge. Thank you!


SuperHumu

Feb 13, 2023 8:59 AM in response to léonie

Léonie, the automated ‘people’ capability in Photos seems fraught with issues:

1: using the address book, there is an Apple sanctioned process to associate faces with names. It simply does not work on any of the 90,000 pix I have.

2: the roster of names associated with pictures is quite different between iOS and OS X. There is no mechanism to sync these. In fact, each device seems to maintain its own database of name-picture associations. My iPad, iPhone and iMac all have different entries in the “ People” sort category.


do you believe Apple will invest in upgrading the Photos capabilities? They spend lavishly on camera capability…but then archiving and editing are lacking.

Apr 6, 2023 7:59 AM in response to GraftonDave

I’ve been using Lightroom CC for years. It is safe, cloud based, has professional editing tools, preserves folder structure, has powerful search capabilities. My spouse didn’t want to learn another tool so I thought I could use Shared Libraries. I discovered essentially what you discovered. Apple has done an abysmal job of shared libraries. It is, to be frank, less than useless. I am staying with Lightroom for now and will be backing out of shared libraries. So you found out invited guests must opt out in 7 days. What happens if they don’t? Their library contributions are erased by Apple?


Have you investigated using shared folders? Anything there that might be useful?



Feb 13, 2023 8:29 AM in response to SuperHumu

You are right, for a large iCloud Photos Library we need to be able to preserve the albums, when we share the library. Sharing 90000 photos without any organisation and dumping them into the iCloud Photos Library of unsuspecting subscribers is a hugh imposition. We should not do that.


But Apple simply does not offer to share the library structure, we can just share the photos, see: How to use iCloud Shared Photo Library - Apple Support

"iCloud Shared Photo Library lets you share photos and videos seamlessly with up to five other people, so everyone can collaborate on the collection and enjoy more complete memories."


You will still be seeing the shared photos in the original albums and folders, but not the other people you invite to view the library. They have to create their on albums in their own iCloud Photos Library.


Feb 13, 2023 1:55 PM in response to SuperHumu

Try the following in order as needed:


1 - As a test launch Photos with the Option key held down and create a new, test library.  Import some photos and test to see if the same problem persists. Does it? This tells us if the problem is limited to your current library or is more wide spread. Then open your original library and test there again.


2 - Create and log into a new, basic, admin user account, Set up users, guests, and groups on Mac and see if the problem persists. This tells us if the problem is limited to your user account or is system wide.


Note:  do not launch any 3rd party apps in the account so as to not install any of the supporting files that most create.


If the problem persists then your original account probably has software installed that is causing the problem.  


3 - boot into Safe Mode according to How to use safe mode on your Mac and test to see if the problem persists. Reboot normally and test again.


NOTE 1: Safe Mode boot can take up to 3 - 5 minutes as it's doing the following; 

• Verifies your startup disk and attempts to repair directory issues, if needed

• Loads only required kernel extensions (prevents 3rd party kernel/extensions from loading)

• Prevents Startup Items and Login Items from opening automatically

• Disables user-installed fonts 

• Deletes font caches, kernel cache, and other system cache files


NOTE 2: if you have a wireless keyboard with rechargeable batteries connect it with its charging cable before booting into Safe Mode. This makes it act as a wired keyboard as will insure a successful boot into Safe Mode.


Feb 13, 2023 10:36 AM in response to SuperHumu

Apple has left the market for professional photo software to third party vendors, when it discontinued Aperture in 2015. Since then, we have the Photos.app, included with the system for on all Apple devices for free. It is offering the bare necessities to archive photos and touch them up and sync them between the devices; this is already a daunting task for the developers, as Photos need to be compatible with a plethora of device models and system versions, as not all features of Photos are supported on all devices and systems. Any additional more elaborate tools will add to the complexity. I don't expect Apple to add new features lightheartedly.

As to the People album: The named faces are syncing between my Macs, my iphone and the iPad, as long as the system versions are the most recent ones. I am seeing slight differences on the devices with older system versions.


Apr 6, 2023 8:28 AM in response to SuperHumu

My spouse and I have backed out of the Shared Library I had created two days ago. I don’t know what would have happened if we’d waited more than 7 days from when she joined the SL to undo her joining. However, I can tell you that the “undo” process worked fine for us.


I have a few Shared Albums. One is supposed to contain both hers and my photos from a trip. Before I created the SL, it did. Now it doesn’t…not sure why but perhaps this was caused by the SL debacle. Once I sort it out, I’ll try to remember to post back here!!

Is it possible to use Albums with a shared library?

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