11 Replies Latest reply: Dec 27, 2012 2:54 PM by Modern_Skeptikos
Iain MacDonald1 Level 2 Level 2
Quick question on this - I assume this after 10 consecutive failed attempts?

Late 08 15" Macbook Pro 2.4GHz, 4GB RAM, Mac OS X (10.6)
  • BeejNet Level 1 Level 1
    Don't think it's 'consecutive'. Think it's simply just a total of 10 failed attempts.
  • wjosten Level 10 Level 10
    I assume this after 10 consecutive failed attempts?

  • Iain MacDonald1 Level 2 Level 2
    Slight difference of opinion there (as Jimmy Tarbuck used to say!)

    I'd have to assume they were consecutive, as with my 3GS I quite often tapped it in wrong the first time if I was doing it quickly. And presumably over the lifetime of a phone it would be pretty easy to that 10 times.
  • isoToxin Level 1 Level 1
    It's consecutive. This is standard for most IT user/password systems, and when you think about it, the only sensible way of implementing it.
  • JoeZinVA Level 2 Level 2
    If you enter the password correctly within 10 times, you gain access.
    However, if you guessed it wrong 10 times, your cell is formatted.
    It does not keep count of your 10 times and say "You failed twice before" "You failed another four times" "You only have four tries left".

    Apple should dial that down from 10 to 5. MS Exchange only allows 3-5 failed attempts before formatting the cellular varying on your IT Manager. 10 times is plenty for the smudge detectives to gain access to your phone keypad code.

    Though it's a 1:16 attempt, some may even get it before the 10th try.
  • ctter Level 2 Level 2
    BeejNet wrote:
    Don't think it's 'consecutive'. Think it's simply just a total of 10 failed attempts.

    Thank about it for a second. You put in the wrong passcode 4 times and then you got in. The iphone will assume that you're the rightfully owner of the iphone since you knew the passcode. Why would they limited you for only 6 more time. if the iphone was stolen, then the thief wouldn't know your passcode. They only have 10 tries to guess your passcode.

    I agree with the other poster. 10 might be to much. It just give the thief 5 more chances to guess the passcode. If someone cannot put in the correct passcode within 5 tries, then something is wrong.
  • isoToxin Level 1 Level 1
    I hadn't even considered the "smudge detectives" (lol), but I definitely agree with you about the reduction to 5 tries being a good move. It should be user configurable.
  • wjosten Level 10 Level 10
    Slight difference of opinion

    Except my post is not opinion .
  • waddle1 Level 1 Level 1
    So if my phone is formatted by a potential thief and I get a new Iphone will syncing it with my macbook restore the phone as if nothing had happened or will something be missing?

    I guess my question really comes down to how thorough is the back up and syncing of the Iphone.
  • jeffkinn_uk Level 2 Level 2
    I don't think the Jimmy Tarbuck reference will travel well across the Atlantic
  • Modern_Skeptikos Level 1 Level 1

    I agree with the 10 consecutive attempts, it's common sense and usual practice with his types of systems.


    10 attempts before erasing the data is also logical. The last thing you want is to lose everything because a child playing with your iDevice accidentally locked the screen and start typing numbers. By the way, I can't understand why it's not sufficient and where does the 1:16 chance coming from when there are 9999 combinations.


    I question the need for this utility however when the device can be disabled after many attempts.


    Happy to be enlightened on any of the above.