Smart albums

Hi, I have a MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Mid 2015) running on OSMonterey (and is up to date) and have recently scanned 100s of photos following the passing of my Father.


I'm trying to organise the photos and have created files for each year. Then created smart albums within with photo capture rules that automatically move the photo's captured date into the corresponding smart albums.

It works beautifully for the photos's with metadata from modern pictures.

I created a "wrong date" album and have been manually changing the date on the photos within so that the smart albums could pick them up... the smart albums did for this very well for about an hour. Now for some reason it won't work.


I've tried deleting and remaking the smart albums. Ran system updates, restarted the laptop. Tried and tried again the change the date and tried a variety of parameter changes, non of which work. Not even the original smart album which I know worked in the first instance.


If I drag and drop the adjusted date photo into the smart album it won't stick and just creates a new folder in the dated folder that holds the smart album. I've also tried the "add to" option under images after changing the date.. it worked initially and now doesn't.

Confused? I am too!


Does anyone know what's happening please? Or have any advice as to what I should do next?

Kind thanks

Lisa


MacBook Pro 15″

Posted on May 17, 2023 2:08 AM

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Posted on May 18, 2023 8:28 AM

I have so many questions! How are you getting the pictures into the Photos Library? Do you use File>Import or something else? "Drag and drop," for instance, is not reliable.


I'm not sure about "created the files exactly as you show in your last screenshot." I don't have a screenshot of creating files.


And again, "you can't "drag and drop [a picture] into the smart album.' " I don't understand how you're trying this.


You've said that when you use a Smart Album, "for some reason it won't work." In what way? If you put the pictures into a normal (not smart) album and sort them by date, do they end up in the right order? If not, what is their order?


What do you get in a Smart Album set up for Capture Date in the range you want? Do you get no pictures, some pictures, or what? What dates do work? What happens if you ask for all pictures after 2020, for instance, or some other dates?


Have you looked at the metadata with another app? I use GraphicConverter, by you can use Preview. If you export with File>Export>Export Unmodified Original and use Preview's Tools>Inspector>Exif you should see the scan date, or whatever the date was before importing to Photos. If you export with File>Export>Export 1 Photo then in Preview you should see the date that you adjusted. If you look at the metadata with an app like GraphicConverter, then you may see both dates, and maybe others. The File date (which Finder shows) may not be the same as the Create Date.


If you haven't done this already, you should try restarting your computer in Safe Mode-- this will restrict some login processes that my be messing with the data, for instance.

    Start up your Mac in safe mode - Apple Support 

It doesn't hurt anything to try it.

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May 18, 2023 8:28 AM in response to LisaF1066

I have so many questions! How are you getting the pictures into the Photos Library? Do you use File>Import or something else? "Drag and drop," for instance, is not reliable.


I'm not sure about "created the files exactly as you show in your last screenshot." I don't have a screenshot of creating files.


And again, "you can't "drag and drop [a picture] into the smart album.' " I don't understand how you're trying this.


You've said that when you use a Smart Album, "for some reason it won't work." In what way? If you put the pictures into a normal (not smart) album and sort them by date, do they end up in the right order? If not, what is their order?


What do you get in a Smart Album set up for Capture Date in the range you want? Do you get no pictures, some pictures, or what? What dates do work? What happens if you ask for all pictures after 2020, for instance, or some other dates?


Have you looked at the metadata with another app? I use GraphicConverter, by you can use Preview. If you export with File>Export>Export Unmodified Original and use Preview's Tools>Inspector>Exif you should see the scan date, or whatever the date was before importing to Photos. If you export with File>Export>Export 1 Photo then in Preview you should see the date that you adjusted. If you look at the metadata with an app like GraphicConverter, then you may see both dates, and maybe others. The File date (which Finder shows) may not be the same as the Create Date.


If you haven't done this already, you should try restarting your computer in Safe Mode-- this will restrict some login processes that my be messing with the data, for instance.

    Start up your Mac in safe mode - Apple Support 

It doesn't hurt anything to try it.

May 19, 2023 8:54 AM in response to LisaF1066

I agree with léonie -- that "album not any" specification is the part we hadn't talked about before. You had said that "I created a "wrong date" album and have been manually changing the date on the Photos within" so the pictures seem to already be in an album! Try removing that rule, and see if the pictures show up.


Albums and Smart Albums list pictures. Folders list folders and albums (including Smart Albums). Folders can have folders in them. When I click on a folder, it shows all the albums inside.



It looked like your screenshots didn't show albums inside the folders.

May 17, 2023 8:14 AM in response to LisaF1066

HI, Lisa,


First, sorry about your Father. Been there.


Now, you can't "drag and drop [a picture] into the smart album." What makes it a Smart Album is that it only takes pictures based on it's selection rules. If you change the date on a picture, is should automatically show up in the appropriately defined smart album. No dragging.


Adjusting dates is an awful job! How are you doing this? Are you using the Photos Menu "Image>Adjust Date and Time" function?

That's a bit painful, frankly, and, for me, I've mostly depended on putting the dates in the titles so that I can arrange them alphabetically by title to get any order I like.


How do you set the specification for the smart album? Do you do it like this?


When you look at the new date and time in the info window (⌘-i), does the date appear as you expect?


For scanned images I have batch changed dates using the app GraphicConverter ($40), which does lots of useful things.


By the way, are you using iCloud to sync your devices?


Let us know-- we've done this and can help...

May 19, 2023 4:56 AM in response to LisaF1066

Lisa, in your screenshot I am seeing a list of folders, when you try to add the picture of your Nana to an album. You cannot add a phot to a folder, it has to be a standard album. Are there albums inside the folder "1940's & back" , that you have selected to add the photo to?


As to the smart album - you are combining two rules - the date range and "Album is not any". This way a photo will vanish from the smart album, once you have added it to an album. Is that the intended behaviour?

The rule "Album is not any" has been a bit buggy in the past. I am not sure, if it has been fixed. The problem has been, that photos may be reported as being in an album, even if the album has beed deleted and the photo is no longer in an album. Do you still need the second rule?


May 19, 2023 3:17 AM in response to Richard.Taylor

Hi Richard, to answer your questions where possible.

I had photos on a DVDrom that I burnt myself on Dads Windows 10 PC - all jpeg.

They transferred smoothly and without issue. No corrupt files. They open and are editable & printable.

5 photos' are TIFF they also transferred just fine.

The smart albums are working for the photos that are modern and have their meta data automatically included, so I know that the smart albums are doing the job they're supposed to.

The smart albums aren't picking up the scanned photos that I have manually adjusted the date on.

What perplexes me is that for the first hour it worked perfectly well. When it stopped doing it automatically, I tried using the "add to" then "album" (which also worked initially) but that doesn't work either now. I only tried to drag and drop as it seemed the only option. Dragging a picture to the appropriate album just creates a new folder within the album holding the smart album.


To clarify, all the metadata intact (ie: modern) photographs are working as they should. It's only the photos that were scanned / where I have to manually adjust the date that are the issue.


The non smart album I have all the scanned pictures in (titled wrong date) are correctly ordering by date within that album, its just that the smart albums aren't picking up the dates. I've checked every date range within them too. I created each album by duplicating the first and changing the date title and date ranges.


I'll try the safe mode thing now ... thanks for your patience. :)

May 19, 2023 3:31 AM in response to LisaF1066

Lisa, could you tell us exactly, how the date range rule is set, that you are using?

I had it occasionally happen, that Photos did not read the date range in the rule correctly, depending on the primary system language . Is your mac using english as the primary system language?


Where is it going wrong? Is the date part (day, month, year wrong) or the time part? Just a few hours or several years?


May 18, 2023 1:16 AM in response to Richard.Taylor

Hi Richard, I'd already painstakingly named each photograph while scanning them at my Dads. I dated them individually (1000's of them) but his system is on windows then imported the DVD full onto my laptop and created the files exactly as you show in your last screenshot.

Then as you ask, I've been adjusting time and date manually. I also confirm that the date I've changed has "stuck" and it has, yet still the smart albums are not picking up the manually input dates.

What really baffles me is that initially it worked.. I changed no settings and did nothing different but for some reason it stopped working.

I did have avast on my laptop which I was advised might be the cause, (and a little over kill I've been informed) so the only change I've made is to uninstall that and reboot my laptop, but this was only in response to this issue. Not the cause of it.

It's driving me bonkers!

I may have to manually change the date on the couple of hundred in my undated scans, delete all the albums and start again. (which I don't want to do but seems the only option) and hope that a massive reset of the albums is the answer.

Thanks for your attention, its much appreciated.

Lisa

May 19, 2023 4:28 AM in response to léonie

Hi Leonie, Thanks so much for your attention.

Yes English is set to primary.


I'm not setting the time of day as half the time I'm only approximating the year (you'll see why in the screen shots)

What's rattling my cage is that some work and others don't (mostly they don't) but only in the earlier years. I just makes no sense. Attached are screen shots ..



The picture of my Nana on her own (portrait aged 15 with the black background).. will not save to the correct album.. no matter what I do. I just don't understand why.. I've tried block saving 8 photos and adding to the "1940s and back album"... you can see the date range. Am I doing something wrong there? I can't see it.. but then as my Mother used to say "sometimes you can't see the Wood for the trees." I hope it's a user interface issue, as I'm new to Mac and unlike windows.. which goes wrong so often it doesn't take long to learn a procedure. Mac hardly ever does.. not that I'm complaining lol


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