How can I delete fonts that I will never use like "Noto"?
How can I delete fonts that I will never use like "Noto"?
iMac, OS X 10.11
How can I delete fonts that I will never use like "Noto"?
iMac, OS X 10.11
LCMarketingIcloud wrote:
No, I'm on Monterey.
The only solution is to upgrade to Ventura. The problem here is 3rd party apps that just grab a list of every "available" font in the system and give it to you. But that's all they do. They don't filter for language. They don't give you access to any font collections. They don't hide the document support fonts like they should.
So in Ventura, Apple changed the logic in this "available" font functionality so that a few hundred non-English and document support fonts, including "Noto" fonts, are no longer returned.
Kurt Lang wrote:
They could also easily fix this. etresoft wrote a very simple app with a single check box to show how the API works. Turn it on, and all of these fonts are hidden. Turn it off, and they're all visible.
That app is dead. It doesn't work in Ventura, so I had to discontinue it.
Just to be sure, is your iMac still running OS X 10.11 (El Capitan)?
No, I'm on Monterey.
You can't delete the pre-installed fonts.
LCMarketingIcloud wrote:
No, I'm on Monterey.
The only solution is to upgrade to Ventura. The problem here is 3rd party apps that just grab a list of every "available" font in the system and give it to you. But that's all they do. They don't filter for language. They don't give you access to any font collections. They don't hide the document support fonts like they should.
So in Ventura, Apple changed the logic in this "available" font functionality so that a few hundred non-English and document support fonts, including "Noto" fonts, are no longer returned.
Thank you so much . I appreciate it !
Well I am now using Ventura and the same fonts I wanted to get rid of are still on my system and still will not allow me to delete them. Any other suggestions?
Most apps no longer list the fonts that are not part of your region/language. But if you mean anything from Adobe, they are stubbornly holding out and displaying every active font.
They could also easily fix this. etresoft wrote a very simple app with a single check box to show how the API works. Turn it on, and all of these fonts are hidden. Turn it off, and they're all visible.
The SoftMaker Office 2024 beta includes the very same type of check box. Turn it on if you don't care about these fonts. Turn it off if you need access to those fonts for multi-language brochures, books, etc.
That's all Adobe would have to do. A simple check box that allows the user to decide to hide the fonts, or show them if they're required for use in a project. Why they're not doing that is a mystery.
Kurt Lang wrote:
They could also easily fix this. etresoft wrote a very simple app with a single check box to show how the API works. Turn it on, and all of these fonts are hidden. Turn it off, and they're all visible.
That app is dead. It doesn't work in Ventura, so I had to discontinue it.
Heh! Not that one. The sample app you posted on GitHub a while back.
I have the latest Ventura installed and this is not the case.
I have the latest Ventura installed and this is not the case.
Adobe will still show the fonts they are not supposed to show. Some other apps will do it, too. Contact the developer and ask them to fix their software.
Or maybe Apple should just let users choose to deactivate 100+ fonts that are not used and slowing stuff down.
Or maybe Apple should just let users choose to deactivate 100+ fonts that are not used and slowing stuff down.
That’s not how the OS works. That ancient paradigm is dead. it’s been dead for years. There’s really no excuse for developers to not have fixed their software by now.
we're users like yourself you can suggest it to them using their feedback channels
You used to be able to deactivate all, or any fonts in the Supplemental folder before Ventura. Apple gave vendors ample time to implement the APIs that would hide fonts not meant for your language/region. Since El Capitan, actually.
All apps I have on my system now hide these fonts except for two holdouts. Anything from Adobe, and Master PDF Editor.
I've made the suggestion on Adobe's forums to at least add a check box to hide these fonts. The user can then at least choose whether or not to show them.
But even that has issues. The main one being if a person does use any OS installed fonts in a project, you have zero control over any changes made to the fonts. This may cause overflow or underflow issues in a standing project, and you will have no way to fix it since you cannot disable the fonts you used.
Here's a excerpt from my font article where I wrote a kind of long portion about this issue. I bolded the last part here as the main point of all of this. It doesn't address the long font lists, but does explain why no one in publishing should even be looking at any OS installed fonts.
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Thoughts and suggestions on what to do regarding the System fonts in Ventura (and probably from here on):
Apple cut off access to handling even the Supplemental fonts in Ventura. You may wonder why since you’re not trying to delete them from the drive, just disabling the ones you don’t need. It does no good to call or write Apple about it since they won’t answer such questions. From what I’ve been able to find on the subject, it comes down to this: All of the extra fonts included with the OS over the decades, not used for the GUI itself, have never been there for the user. Apple considers them useful only as backward compatibility document support. What support is that? Good question, because I don’t know either. But that is the story I’ve read for their reason to exist. This list changes depending on your region. For English users, it’s mainly anything tagged as a non-Latin font.
The equally decades long problem this now creates is people used these fonts, both for personal use and professionally. After all, we can see them in our font lists, so why not use them? That’s now a problem because there are millions of documents which used these fonts that are now at the mercy of what Apple does with them. Such as, they can change the metrics and cause overflow or underflow issues on a standing book that goes into occasional reprints. It doesn’t happen often, but Apple sometimes also removes fonts from the System folder.
Yes, you can dig up the older versions of a font you may need from previous versions of OS X / macOS. And really, you should be archiving the exact fonts you used in a project with all of its other files for just this reason. But now you won’t be able to disable a newer, conflicting version. You’ll have to resort to an older OS to process standing projects. This will be more difficult over time as older Macs become unserviceable.
How does this affect the home user? Not much, or at all. You create your holiday letter, a lost dog poster, a term paper, etc. and print it. It’s a one-time use document. What happens to any fonts you used with it after that isn’t an issue.
The problem is mainly in publishing. Let’s say your client has a love affair with Arial. They use it as a corporate font on letterheads, envelopes, etc. Arial is a font created by Monotype and what’s included with macOS isn’t a full set. If you want to purchase the entire Arial family, you have to take a trip (as one official source) over to MyFonts. There you can purchase up to the full 28 variations. You can also subscribe on Monotype’s site for access to their fonts. Problem: You can’t disable the Arial variations installed by Ventura. You have no control over any future changes to those typefaces that may throw off type flow in your standing projects. Not without, again, resorting to using an older OS.
The above isn’t only hypothetical. A user on Apple’s forums ran into exactly such an issue when Apple started hiding fonts back in El Capitan. They used the OS installed font Seravek as their corporate font. While it appeared in older documents, they could no longer select that font for new documents in Pages, or any other Apple created app.
My suggestion? Go out of your way to avoid using any fonts installed by the OS for anything. Have your clients do the same so you always have control over the use of that font style. If they’re glued to Arial, Times New Roman or some other OS installed font, encourage them (a lot!) to get the adhesive remover out. There are literally thousands of fonts to choose from that look nearly identical to these and other book fonts installed by the OS. Pick something else.
How can I delete fonts that I will never use like "Noto"?