issues with MacOS Ventura and Epson SureColor P6000

Since upgrading my M1 chip iMac to Ventura I cannot color match prints made when printing through Photoshop. The entire interface for the printer is setup differently. No matter how careful I am to select all the necessary options from paper type to icc profiles the print does not match prints made when I was running the previous OS. To check the issue, I have executed prints using my laptop (MacBook Pro running Big Sur) from the same files that do match the prints from iMac on the older operating system.

Advice? Do I have to downgrade the OS to get the older Epson print dialogue window? Or??

iMac (M1, 2021)

Posted on May 22, 2023 1:30 PM

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Posted on Jun 24, 2023 11:25 AM

The monitor profile does not factor in, and is not a factor because: a) I am not trying to make the print match the monitor, and b) no adjustments were made to the file before printing.

Actually, it very much does factor in. There are at least two things going on.


  1. When you're in Photoshop - unless you've chosen the monitor profile as your working RGB space - you're never looking at the chosen color space. Doesn't matter if it's set to sRGB, AdobeRGB, WideGamut RGB, or whatever. ColorSync is always converting the working RGB color to the monitor profile. It simply makes sense to do that since the monitor is the device you're looking at. It's the only color that counts since that's what you're basing all of your color adjustments on.
  2. When you print your image, ColorSync's entire goal (unless you're using a RIP) is to try and match the screen. So the working RGB color gets converted to the monitor profile, and then that gets translated to the printer profile's color space. That data is finally sent on to the printer.


And there's catch to all of that. What you're looking at is not necessarily the same as the the OS thinks you're looking at. All it knows is there's a monitor profile, and the working color is converted into that space. It doesn't automatically mean the monitor profile, in any way, represents what you're viewing.


Why is that? Because most people only use the canned profiles that come with the OS. Often, they choose an RGB profile that isn't even a monitor profile. But since the OS lets you choose it, it must be okay to do that, right?


No. Not even a little. The only existing profile you can choose that has anything at all to do with your monitor is the one pulled from the monitor, which is displayed above the line in the monitor settings. Such as here:



Why there are two in my list for the same monitor, I don't know. But I don't use them. Not even when a monitor is brand new. The supplied, default profiles are only good for a few months, at best. After that, the monitor will have drifted far enough away from the default that it's no longer useful.


Here's something most people also don't know. Apple plays with ColorSync's internal workings with every - single - major - OS - release. Every one. It doesn't matter if you haven't changed your monitor profile. It will no longer be used or translated by ColorSync the same as before. With every major release, I recreate my monitor profile, and all printer profiles.

The only good way around this mess is to use a true monitor profiling system so the resulting profile is based on actual readings of the monitor's output. Anything you do with the built-in Calibrate function is strictly a guess. And not even a good one.


X-Rite just came out with three updated monitor profiling devices.

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Jun 24, 2023 11:25 AM in response to tlwarp

The monitor profile does not factor in, and is not a factor because: a) I am not trying to make the print match the monitor, and b) no adjustments were made to the file before printing.

Actually, it very much does factor in. There are at least two things going on.


  1. When you're in Photoshop - unless you've chosen the monitor profile as your working RGB space - you're never looking at the chosen color space. Doesn't matter if it's set to sRGB, AdobeRGB, WideGamut RGB, or whatever. ColorSync is always converting the working RGB color to the monitor profile. It simply makes sense to do that since the monitor is the device you're looking at. It's the only color that counts since that's what you're basing all of your color adjustments on.
  2. When you print your image, ColorSync's entire goal (unless you're using a RIP) is to try and match the screen. So the working RGB color gets converted to the monitor profile, and then that gets translated to the printer profile's color space. That data is finally sent on to the printer.


And there's catch to all of that. What you're looking at is not necessarily the same as the the OS thinks you're looking at. All it knows is there's a monitor profile, and the working color is converted into that space. It doesn't automatically mean the monitor profile, in any way, represents what you're viewing.


Why is that? Because most people only use the canned profiles that come with the OS. Often, they choose an RGB profile that isn't even a monitor profile. But since the OS lets you choose it, it must be okay to do that, right?


No. Not even a little. The only existing profile you can choose that has anything at all to do with your monitor is the one pulled from the monitor, which is displayed above the line in the monitor settings. Such as here:



Why there are two in my list for the same monitor, I don't know. But I don't use them. Not even when a monitor is brand new. The supplied, default profiles are only good for a few months, at best. After that, the monitor will have drifted far enough away from the default that it's no longer useful.


Here's something most people also don't know. Apple plays with ColorSync's internal workings with every - single - major - OS - release. Every one. It doesn't matter if you haven't changed your monitor profile. It will no longer be used or translated by ColorSync the same as before. With every major release, I recreate my monitor profile, and all printer profiles.

The only good way around this mess is to use a true monitor profiling system so the resulting profile is based on actual readings of the monitor's output. Anything you do with the built-in Calibrate function is strictly a guess. And not even a good one.


X-Rite just came out with three updated monitor profiling devices.

Jun 24, 2023 11:37 AM in response to tlwarp

That's (as my speech communications professor wife would say) "mo betta". Have you tried printing from Preview to see if the problem persists.


Two other tests are:


1 - Boot into Safe Mode according to How to use safe mode on your Mac and print from there. The link describes what the safe mode boot does.


Note:  if you have a wireless keyboard with rechargeable batteries connect it with its charging cable before booting into Safe Mode.  This makes it act as a wired keyboard as will assure a successful boot into Safe Mode.


2 - Create and log into a new, basic, admin user account, Set up users, guests, and groups on Mac and print from there in Photos. This tells us if the problem is limited to your user account or is system wide.


Note:  do not launch any 3rd party apps in the account so as to not install any of the supporting files that most create.


If the problem isn't present then your original account has software installed that is causing the problem.  



Jun 24, 2023 9:42 AM in response to Kurt Lang

I understand. Completely. To be clear… this is about printing a photoshop file that has not been altered or modified in any away. The file was used on the M1 chip iMac running the old OS to make exhibition prints. Then the exact same file was used ( with all the same settings for media, icc profiles, etc) to make a duplicate print running on the new OS. there is no ignoring the difference in the prints. The monitor profile does not factor in, and is not a factor because: a) I am not trying to make the print match the monitor, and b) no adjustments were made to the file before printing.

I am gathering that the only remedy is to revert back to the old OS.

My reasoning is that, as I said earlier, I then used the MacBook Pro laptop (running an older Os) execute the print command and it perfectly matched the original print. The only variable that I can determine that is different is the Ventura OS.

Jul 29, 2023 6:40 AM in response to Tiredandgrumpy

Hello, I have also an issue with colors not being properly printed on my Epson P900. I have two Ventura 13.5 Macs, one Mac Studio with M1 chip and one MacBook Pro with Intel. I have the same versions of everything on both and Epson 12.65 driver. Intel Mac prints fine but the colors fail on M1 Mac. What more - the ugly AirPrint Driver 3.0 is printing images correctly on both (but is not useful for me). So, it seems to be some strange interference between M1 - Ventura - Epson 12.65 driver. Not easy to find a culprit... Has anyone encountered this issue? Any feedback is appreciated.


Please see the image below. And I hope the failing colours are visible after all compressions.

Jun 24, 2023 12:09 PM in response to tlwarp

I've just deleted all EPSON items from my M1 MacBook Pro! Turned everything OFF! And back on - then reinstalled my EPSON P800 and ensured up to date drivers 👏. Completed test A4 paper checks. Reset up WIFI. Then deleted all ICC profiles, re downloaded and installed. LRc on and set up ~ printed a single word on a word doc no bother 👏 then LRc image ~ MacBook Pro and printer "NOT" talking / message on both printer and MacBook Pro tells me they are talking and printer making noises, paper moves and passes through printer BUT NO ACTUAL PRINT 🙊🙊🙊

need to wait now until Monday AND hopefully I can call EPSON who in the past have been VERY VERY helpful in the past

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