Samsung T7 read write speeds

I purchased a Samsung T7 Shield to swap between 3 Apple computers. I erased and formatted the T7 using Mac OS extended with GUID partition.

My old 2011 MacBook Pro gets around 45MB/s, my 2020 MacBook Air M1 around 650MB/s and my 2019 i7 Mac Mini gets a whopping 950 MB/s!

Wouldn't you think that the MacBook Air would do as well as the older Mac Mini? 650 MB/s transfer is OK but don't they have the same USB Thunderbolt ports?

The Mini is running Monterey and the Air is running Ventura 13.3.1 (a)

MacBook Pro (M1, 2020)

Posted on May 28, 2023 10:31 AM

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Posted on May 28, 2023 12:05 PM

According to Samsung, the T7 Shield has a USB 3.2 Gen 2 (10 Gbps) interface, not a Thunderbolt one.


https://semiconductor.samsung.com/consumer-storage/portable-ssd/t7-shield/


I believe that the USB-C ports on the 2018 Mac Mini and on the M1 MacBook Air both are supposed to support USB 3.1 Gen 2, a.k.a. USB 3.2 Gen 2x1, a.k.a. "USB 3.2 Gen 2 (10 Gbps)." They are not using the same circuitry and software to implement that mode, so I could see there being some performance difference.


It does seem strange that the performance difference would be that large and that the M1 MacBook Air would be trailing the i7 Mini (rather than the other way around).

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May 28, 2023 12:05 PM in response to zedmirimur150

According to Samsung, the T7 Shield has a USB 3.2 Gen 2 (10 Gbps) interface, not a Thunderbolt one.


https://semiconductor.samsung.com/consumer-storage/portable-ssd/t7-shield/


I believe that the USB-C ports on the 2018 Mac Mini and on the M1 MacBook Air both are supposed to support USB 3.1 Gen 2, a.k.a. USB 3.2 Gen 2x1, a.k.a. "USB 3.2 Gen 2 (10 Gbps)." They are not using the same circuitry and software to implement that mode, so I could see there being some performance difference.


It does seem strange that the performance difference would be that large and that the M1 MacBook Air would be trailing the i7 Mini (rather than the other way around).

May 29, 2023 8:17 AM in response to Servant of Cats

Turns out this is a known issue with Apple silicon on practically all their models.

The theoretical specs everyone is quoting are useless information as they are only theoretical.

In fact, due to the chip architecture, the M1 will get faster external SSD speeds with most external drives than the M2 machines will because the M1 is equipped with 2 NAND chips and the M2 only has one. Folks are seeing only around 450 MB/s with the T7's connected to M2 machines.

A work around (albeit slightly more expensive) is to use a SanDisk Extreme Pro NVMe with a genuine Apple .8m TB cable. This will give you around 1,700 MB/s.

Also, using a Thunderbolt 3 SSD also achieves ultra fast speeds, but of course, they are even more expensive. Perhaps Apple has done this purposefullly so that pro users (professional creators) will be purchasing items like the LaCie 2TB SSD T3 drive from their store at 450 bucks or more likely the G Tech 12TB for $800.

https://9to5mac.com/2022/04/18/m1-mac-thunderbolt-4-ports-speed-tests/















May 29, 2023 11:45 AM in response to zedmirimur150

RE: "n fact, due to the chip architecture, the M1 will get faster external SSD speeds with most external drives than the M2 machines will because the M1 is equipped with 2 NAND chips and the M2 only has one."


  1. The number of NAND flash chips making up an Apple Silicon Mac's internal SSD has no bearing on the performance of that Mac's external SSDs. The 9to5Mac article to which you linked concerns the speed of USB data transfer over an Apple Silicon Mac's USB-C (Thunderbolt) ports. The fact that the ports support Thunderbolt is incidental, since the transfers used USB protocol. The speed of the internal SSD seems to have been immaterial here, since the tests appeared to involve just writing and reading to the external SSD (and not copying files to or from the internal SSD).
  2. It has been reported that M2 Macs with 256 GB internal SSDs have much lower SSD performance than M2 Macs with 512+ GB SSDs or than M1 Macs. The reason is a reduction in the number of NAND flash chips – from (2 x 128 GB) to (1 x 256 GB) - which precludes the possibility for parallel reads and writes.
  3. There are similar reports about 14"/16" M2 Pro/Max MBPs that have only 512 GB of internal SSD storage. In this case, we're talking about 2 NAND flash chips versus 4 NAND flash chips, so even the 'slow' 512 GB SSD delivers performance on a par with what you might expect from a Thunderbolt 3 / M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD.
  4. Even a M2 MacBook Air with 256 GB of SSD storage, on one NAND flash chip, turned in a write performance of 1598.6 MB/s and a read performance of 1560.9 MB/s. USB 3.1 Gen 2 has a speed of "up to 10 Gbps (1250 MB/s)" before overhead. So even the 'slow' 256 GB M2 MacBook Air SSD (which is slow by the standards of Thunderbolt 3 SSDs and other modern internal Mac SSDs) is faster than your Samsung T7 is … is faster than your Samsung T7 could be if it was connected to a perfect USB-C (USB 3.1 Gen 2) port!


https://www.macrumors.com/2023/01/24/m2-mac-mini-256gb-slower-ssd/

https://9to5mac.com/2023/01/24/macbook-pro-ssd-performance-drop/

https://9to5mac.com/2022/08/04/macbook-air-m2-vs-m1/




May 29, 2023 6:41 AM in response to woodmeister50

RE: "Simply, the USB support on the MacBook Air USB 3.1 gen 2 single lane. The T7 supports USB 3.2 get 2 at 10 Gbps with two lanes."


So you're saying that Samsung's "USB 3.2 Gen 2 (10 Gbps)" specification translates to "USB 3.2 Gen 1x2" (which has no USB-IF marketing name) rather than to USB 3.2 Gen 2x1 (a.k.a. USB 3.1 Gen 2 a.k.a. USB 10 Gbps)? If we assume that this is the case (the lane speed is 5 Gb/s or 625 MB/s) and that the 2018 Mac Mini is negotiating the transfer down to a single lane, how would the Mini achieve a transfer rate of 650 MB/s to the SSD?


You're right that the USB specs can be "a ball of confusion". USB4 has three "up to 20 Gbps" USB data transfer modes. One of them is USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 ("up to 20 Gbps"). There are a couple of new, incompatible USB4 modes … one of which has a marketing name, one of which doesn't. Naturally, USB4 20 Gbps mode is mandatory for USB4 host ports, while USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 mode is optional for them.


People in other forums have reported that Apple Silicon Macs do not support USB 3.2 Gen 2x2. If you hook up a USB Gen 2x2 SSD (there are one or two of those) to an Apple Silicon Mac, things will fall back to "up to 10 Gbps" speed. To be fair, Apple doesn't claim that Apple Silicon Macs support USB 3.2 Gen 2x2, but given that they DO support the optional "up to 40 Gbps" Thunderbolt and USB4 40 Gbps modes, one might be forgiven for thinking that they supported all lesser USB speeds, as well.


Oh, and all of the USB4 Gen 2x(whatever) modes are different from their USB 3.2 Gen 2x(whatever) counterparts. Within USB 3.*, if you matched the Generation and the number of Lanes, you were talking about the same protocol whether it was called, say, USB 3.2 Gen 1x1, USB 3.1 Gen 1, or USB 3.0.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB4


May 28, 2023 3:46 PM in response to zedmirimur150

All of the 2011 MacBook Pros have USB 2.0 – which has a theoretical maximum speed of 480 Mb/s (60 MB/s), but tends to deliver speeds more like 30 MB/s – 40 MB/s in practice.


That explains why the 2011 MBP delivered only 45 MB/s. Even the USB-A (USB 3.0) ports on the 2018 Mini, while incapable of the 950 MB/s of the same machine's USB-C(USB 3.1 Gen 2) ports, would blow 45 MB/s away.


May 28, 2023 8:19 PM in response to zedmirimur150

The point is, the 2019 Mini blows the 2020 Air away as far as external drive x-fer rates. Perhaps the Air needs the drive to be formatted to APFS to achieve faster speeds (I may try this). The Air has the same T bolt 3 as the Mini but the Air is much slower. Obviously I wasn’t expecting much from the old MB Pro. It seems that Monterey with Intel architecture seems to be better than Ventura with Apple silicon as far as external drives go.

May 29, 2023 5:53 AM in response to zedmirimur150

Simply, the USB support on the MacBook Air USB 3.1 gen 2 single lane. The T7 supports USB 3.2 get 2 at 10 Gbps with two lanes. So connecting to the MacBook Air, you are only essentially getting 5 Gbps. which is close to the number you are getting.


All the new USB specs are a ball of confusion and almost seem to be made to be for drive manufacturers to tout high speeds on all devices when it simply is not true.

May 29, 2023 6:48 AM in response to woodmeister50

RE: "All the new USB specs are a ball of confusion and almost seem to be made to be for drive manufacturers to tout high speeds on all devices when it simply is not true."


How about when USB 2.0 came out? "USB 2.0 Full Speed" very likely sounded like "up to 480 Mbps" to the average computer buyer. But it really meant "up to 12 Mbps" (one of the USB 1.* speeds). To get "up to 480 Mbps", you had look for devices specified as supporting "USB 2.0 High Speed."

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