External drive and MacBook Pro 2020

Hello,


I'm contacting you because I own a 2TB G-drive (WD) external drive, and when I was transferring images from my MacBook Pro 2020 to this drive, the computer froze. After 5 minutes, I decided to force the computer to shut down while the transfer was still in progress, and when I turned it back on, only the G-Utilities disk was visible after several minutes, but the sub-disk that hosts all my data was no longer accessible.


I tried connecting the hard disk to my friend’s Mac, and the problem was the same. I tried resetting the computer's SMC, but same. I've also tried Disk Utility's FirstAid, but nothing either.


I should also point out that when I plug in the hard disk, it takes many minutes for G-utilities to appear on the Finder, and sometimes the Finder starts to freeze, and stops freezing when I unplug the hard disk. Sometimes, after many minutes, G utilities doesn't even show up and I get a "hard disk not readable by this computer" message.


I downloaded Stellar Data Recovery (free version) and they told me they could recover 96 Giga from my hard disk, i.e. most of the files.


In your opinion:

1) is the problem serious?

2) do you think I should pay for the data recovery software, store my data somewhere and format my hard disk, or do you think the hard disk (and the data on it) can be recovered without formatting it?


Thank you very much in advance for your advice, I'm afraid of losing a year's work... :(

MacBook Pro 13″, macOS 13.4

Posted on Jul 4, 2023 7:46 AM

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Posted on Jul 4, 2023 1:16 PM

¿should I stash the files and try to re-use the drive?


years ago, when drives of tiny sizes cost Thousands of dollars, the prize after a failure was a working DRIVE.


Today we know the prize is your DATA, and drives are really cheap.


If you took this to a technician today, they would immediately replace it with a new drive. That is because the risk that the drive would not 'come clean' or would quickly fail again is too high for a technician to spend all afternoon fiddling with.


If your time is 'free' then go ahead and try to repurpose the drive, AFTER you have a good backup plan in place. You may discover the drive does not work, or it may work but not be reliable, or it may work perfectly well for many years. Drives have always carried a limited number of 'spare' blocks that the drive controller can substitute for blocks that go bad in the field. But these are only deployed when new data are provided for that Bad Block (typically when the drive is erased and re-imaged.)


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Researchers did a really huge study of consumer-calibre rotating magnetic drives used in google server farms.


They found that the most common failure mechanism was the drive accumulated errors, then more errors, then a huge number of errors, then was unserviceable.


A drive with multiple errors was unserviceable in an AVERAGE (over a very large sample with wide variation) in about six months of 24/7 operation.


step one: Buy more drives and get a backup plan in place.

step two: THEN you can fiddle with this drive all you want, and are never "working without a net"



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Jul 4, 2023 1:16 PM in response to eudesb42

¿should I stash the files and try to re-use the drive?


years ago, when drives of tiny sizes cost Thousands of dollars, the prize after a failure was a working DRIVE.


Today we know the prize is your DATA, and drives are really cheap.


If you took this to a technician today, they would immediately replace it with a new drive. That is because the risk that the drive would not 'come clean' or would quickly fail again is too high for a technician to spend all afternoon fiddling with.


If your time is 'free' then go ahead and try to repurpose the drive, AFTER you have a good backup plan in place. You may discover the drive does not work, or it may work but not be reliable, or it may work perfectly well for many years. Drives have always carried a limited number of 'spare' blocks that the drive controller can substitute for blocks that go bad in the field. But these are only deployed when new data are provided for that Bad Block (typically when the drive is erased and re-imaged.)


--------

Researchers did a really huge study of consumer-calibre rotating magnetic drives used in google server farms.


They found that the most common failure mechanism was the drive accumulated errors, then more errors, then a huge number of errors, then was unserviceable.


A drive with multiple errors was unserviceable in an AVERAGE (over a very large sample with wide variation) in about six months of 24/7 operation.


step one: Buy more drives and get a backup plan in place.

step two: THEN you can fiddle with this drive all you want, and are never "working without a net"



Jul 4, 2023 12:50 PM in response to eudesb42

eudesb42 wrote:

In your opinion:
1) is the problem serious?
2) do you think I should pay for the data recovery software, store my data somewhere and format my hard disk, or do you think the hard disk (and the data on it) can be recovered without formatting it?

Since you've already tried plugging the drive into another computer, without success, I have the feeling that there is a problem with the hard drive and that it is serious. A slightly loose cable (e.g., one pulled out by a cat exploring where she's not allowed) might cause I/O errors and disk corruption. If you have another cable, it might be worth substituting that for the one that came with the drive, to see if it improves things.


I suspect, though, that the hard drive itself is failing.


I'm not sure why you want to format the drive. If you're trying to recover data from a corrupted or damaged drive, the first thing to do is to stop writing to the drive, as much as possible. I'd only format it before the data recovery attempt if I thought there was no other alternative.


After you recover the data, you probably won't want to trust this drive again. Not if it's showing signs of extreme hardware failure.

Jul 4, 2023 7:55 AM in response to eudesb42

<< I've also tried Disk Utility's FirstAid, but nothing either. >>


Disk Utility is usually the key to problems like this.

is the drive SEEN in disk Utility?

can you repair/FirstAid the Mac Volume in Disk Utility?


if you use the "View" menu to "show all devices" can you repair the top-level physical device, and all items under it, such as the container-disk (if so equipped).



Please post s screenshot of Disk Utility window.

please post any error messages you get.

Jul 5, 2023 8:14 AM in response to eudesb42

be sure to completely ERASE the entire Physical drive by its immutable manufacturer-given-name, and do NOT install Seagate Utilities. you want this drive to be owned by Disk Utility.


The downside of using the manufacturer's software is that if the manufacturer's software is not loaded, the Macintosh Volume may not readable, or may not be writable. This means that in startup manager, Installer, and in Recovery such as after a data loss, the Macintosh Volume may not be visible.


What that manufacturer's software does is to "spare you the annoyance of having to re-initialize the drive" from its factory set Windows New Technology File System (NTFS) or similar unusual (on a Mac) format. Instead, the software they provided would simulate a MacOS drive inside an NTFS file.




Jul 4, 2023 9:51 AM in response to eudesb42

<< I don't have other backup drive for the files it contains. >>


you appear to have made a Grave error in judgement. You always need a Primary copy of your files and a recent backup copy on a different physical drive. It is not a question of IF your drives will fail, only WHEN.


That drive appear to be damaged and can not be repaired by Disk Utility. if that is the only copy, those files are lost. You MAY be able to salvage a few with third-party Utilities, but that is often unpredictable.



Jul 4, 2023 8:24 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

Thank you so much for your response.


Yes, the top-level device is visible from Disk Utility. Sometimes the disk2 container is visible too, but its writing is grayed out.

When I try FirstAid with the top-level disk (G-Utilities), it loads for a few minutes, then a message tells me that the partition map repair didn't work. When I try FirstAid with the container, a message eventually appears: "File system verify or repair failed. : (-69845)".

I don't have my computer with me at the moment...

Jul 4, 2023 9:03 AM in response to eudesb42

on my report above of a rotating magnetic drive with a MacOS extended partition only, and no container disks, the physical drive is WDC WD800HLFS..., and the MacOS Volume (mountable item you see in Finder) is X11-Drv80.


If your drive can not be fully repaired in Disk Utility, you can TRY using rescue software to salvage some files off it.


The "approved method" is restoring your files from your backup drive(s).


¿what is the date of your most recent backup and by what method?

Jul 4, 2023 9:13 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

I am sorry, but I don't understand what you mean with backup drive. My external drive was already my backup drive.


My last successful backup was a few days ago when I transferred some pictures.

Apart from my external drive, I don't have other backup drive for the files it contains.


What I should mention is that when connect my external drive to my MacBook Pro, it disconnects sometimes, without apparent reason and thus cannot be found in DiskUtility.



Jul 4, 2023 9:51 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

If you do not have a recent local, disk-based backup, your computer is like a ticking Time bomb. You are only one disk failure, one crazy software, or one "oops" away from losing EVERYTHING! Drives do not last forever. It is not a question of IF it will fail, only WHEN it will fail. In addition, you never know when crazy software or Pilot Error throws away far more than you intended.


If you are using another direct-to-disk backup method that you prefer, and you currently have a recent disk-based backup, that is great. If not, you should consider using Built-in Time Machine. Take steps to acquire an external drive as soon as possible. If you buy one, a drive 2 to 3 times or larger than your boot drive is preferable for long term trouble-free operation. Do not pay extra for a drive that is fast.  (You can get by for a while with a "found" smaller drive if necessary, but it will eventually become annoying).


Attach your external drive and use

System preferences > Time machine ...


... to turn on Time Machine and specify what drive to store your Backups on.  It may ask to initialize the new drive, and that is as expected.


Time machine works quietly and automatically in the background, without interrupting your regular work, and only saves the incremental changes (after the first full backup). Time machine backs up every connected drive that is in a Mac compatible format. it can not back up Windows format drives.


Time Machine's "claim to fame" is that it is the backup that gets done, because it does not ruin performance of the rest of the computer while doing its backup operations. You do not have to set aside a "Special Time" when you only do backups. When you need it, your Time machine Backup is much more likely to be there.


How to use Time Machine to Backup or Restore your Mac:

Back up your Mac with Time Machine - Apple Support


Time Machine may spend all afternoon making your first full backup. You can continue to do your regular work while it does this. The first Full Backup is by far the biggest backup.


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Jul 4, 2023 10:06 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

Thank you Grant Bennet-Alder,


I appreciate your efforts in helping me.

It was indeed an error of judgment on my part.

I bought this hard drive two years ago, took good care of it and thought it would be reliable, but I should have been more far-sighted.


I used this same hard disk to back up my Mac via Time Machine.

Using Stellar to try and recover the data on my external drive, it took a while, but I was able to access 96 gigas of data that "seems" to be in good condition. Obviously, with the free version I could only back up 1 giga, but I'm thinking of buying the paid version and formatting my hard disk once I've recovered the data, which will surely be a lot cheaper than calling in a professional. As far as data recovery software like Stellar is concerned, do you know which is the best?


On this same Stellar software, I saw that it recovered over 500,000 files from my hard disk, and I was surprised, thinking that I didn't have that many. In the end, it turned out to be mostly data from my Time Machine backups, which had been split up into lots of different categories. In that case, do you know if it's possible to reorganize them as Time Machine used to organize them?


Thanks again

Jul 4, 2023 10:37 AM in response to eudesb42

if time machine will recognize that drive as a valid time machine backup disk, which would require it to be Mounted, you can use Time Machine.app (not to be confused with Time machine Control Panel) to restore your files as of any date saved.


Time machine app uses the "Star Wars" display, with the current condition of what you are examining (drive or folder) at the front, and older versions receding back, back, back in time behind it. It takes a few moments to assemble those older views from its database.



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Jul 4, 2023 10:44 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

Each Time Machine backup is like an incremental backup in What it stores, saving only changed files. A backup as of a particular date contains only those changed files, along with pointers to older files already stored in this backup set.


So the finder-recognizable files in a backup folder for a particular date contains only changes. The rest of the files are in the backup set somewhere, but only Time Machine is likely to be able to follow the pointers and find them.

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