Can I fit a graphics card for HDMI 2.1 in my 2019 Mac Pro?

Hi :) I guess this is 2 questions in one...


Question 1) Can you please tell me if I can fit a graphics card that can handle HDMI 2.1 in my 2019 Mac Pro? I have a feeling I cant?


I have this Mac…


2019 Mac Pro 3.2GHz 16 Core Intel Xeon W processor Turbo Boost up to 4.0GHz

48GB 2933 MHz DDR4 memory

AMD Radeon Pro Vega II with 32GB of HBM2 memory

Main Mac Storage 8TB SSD

With a Separate Built-in Storage 24TB SSD for Movies


I’m running macOS Ventura - Version 13.4


Question 2) Basically wiI asked question 1 is because I’m wanting to buy a Sony Bravia XR for my PS5 and to use it as a 2nd monitor for my Mac (this monitor https://tinyurl.com/3md4uxht) is this possible yet or should I wait for the next Mac Pro?


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Posted on Jul 6, 2023 2:03 PM

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Jul 6, 2023 5:29 PM in response to KainsTorment

That model Sony Bravia appears to be a 4K resolution TV set up to 120 Hz refresh rate. That resolution at that refresh rate requires HDMI 2.1, and cables need to have certification and tags for 'Ultra High Speed/48G'.

But if you can get it working that way, it is backward compatible to earlier versions of HDMI.


The graphics card you have now (AMD Radeon Pro Vega II) supports HDMI 2.0 and can provide 4K at 60 Hz. it would need the same certified cables.


You don't need anything beyond that to do what you said you want.

Jul 7, 2023 8:40 PM in response to KainsTorment

The cable matters adapter is a USB-C adapter, limited by USB-C which has fewer data pathways than ThunderBolt. it can attain 4K at 60 Hz on a Mac (essentially HDMI 2.0) but no faster.


That cable/adapter looks like it will work for 4K at 60 Hz, which is adequate, but you are NOT coming close to the HDMI 2.1 capabilities (or problems) with that adapter. Nor are you spending $1000 on a new card to get an imperceptive increase in refresh rate.



Jul 8, 2023 6:11 AM in response to KainsTorment

HDMI was invented for High definition TV sets, running at 720-Interlaced. HDMI works fine with any old cable that way. HDMI continues to work at double the data rate for 720-progressive, which has twice the data. HDMI just squeaks by at 1920 by 1080-p.


Above those speeds, it start to heat up and requires a certified cable, labeled "premium high speed".


At HDMI 2.0, the protocol was completely overhauled, the signaling method changed completely, and one data pathway that used to be a cloak is re-purposed as a data lead. 5 volt signaling was retained.


At HDMI 2.1, the speed was cranked way up, but the 5 volt signaling was retained. Switching high-resolution, high refresh rate data at these speeds not only approaches the physical limits of how fast circuits can switch, but at 5 Volts, the signal rivers get really HOT.


So if you choose to convert a signal from some other protocol to HDMI 2.1, the adapters can approach 160 degrees F.


If you must connect using HDMI, and you can possibly go direct HDMI cabling without adapters, that is superior. You withheld the information that you had already dedicated your Only HDMI port for another display.


Your conclusion "adapters are bad" is a shortcut that never came from me.

But I happily own "HDMI is Bad."

Jul 7, 2023 1:41 PM in response to KainsTorment

<< the end of the HMDI 2.1 cable has a slightly different shaped end >>


HDMI 2.1 requires a CERTIFIED (with certification tag) Ultra High Speed / 48 G cable.


HDMI 2.0 can get by with a certified Premium High Speed cable


HDMI has standard cable-ends.


What kind of cable do you have? take a picture and post the picture, or choose from these standard display connectors:



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Jul 7, 2023 12:35 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

Thanks, you say “if I can get the HMDI 2.1 to work somehow” well this sounds impossible the HMDI 2.1 plug won’t fit into any of the inputs on the back of the Mac as the plug is a different shape, so any ideas to do this ?


Also I play games on the Mac that’s why I went with the highest graphics card possible so it was future proof. The 2019 is 3 years old now so is there any new graphics cards available for my that can handle HDMI 2.1 and will work in my Mac? Also it would help so much if the graphics card had 2 HMDI ports

Jul 7, 2023 1:35 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

Sorry I didn’t explain that clearly… Basically the Vega II has a socket for the standard HMDI 2.0 so this isn’t a problem… I tried plugging in a HDMI 2.1 cable into the back of Mac but the end of the HMDI 2.1 cable has a slightly different shaped end so I can’t even plug it in to the Mac and that’s why I asked about a newer Graphics Card that can have a HDMI 2.1 cable slotted in to it. But I have a awful feeling that a HDMI 2.1 socket will be on the next new Mac Pro whenever they come out

Jul 7, 2023 2:04 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

So sorry I was getting confused with a DisplayPort plug.


Basically I want this in my Mac https://www.kenable.co.uk/en/hdmi-cables/hdmi-21-cables/certified-hdmi-21-cables/11336-pro-certified-ultra-high-speed-hdmi-21-cable-8k-60-4k-120hz-48gbps-plugs-2m-5054338113364.html it has only just dawned on me that a HMDI 2.1 has the same end as a HMDI 2.0 which means I can hopefully use a Sony Bravia XR in my Mac as a secondary monitor after all? As I only have one HMDI input one more my Mac I use a HMDI to Thunderbolt adapter to connect to my secondary monitor

Jul 7, 2023 2:24 PM in response to KainsTorment

HDMI uses the same plug all the way through. But the capabilities of the various flavors of cable vary wildly, and it is important to use cables appropriate for the highest speeds when you want the highest speeds to work reliably.


If you can plug in your PS2 and get picture on the Bravia, you will have no trouble doing the same with your Mac, using a direct HDMI cable.


HDMI continued to use 5 Volt signaling levels. At the speeds required for HDMI 2.1, adapters from ThunderBolt get so hot, they can burn your skin. USB-C does not have enough bandwidth for the sizes and speeds you are looking for.

Jul 7, 2023 6:22 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

Sorry you missed miss-understood me… I know how to hook up the Sony Bravia XR to my PS5 that’s not the issue here… My main Mac display is this https://rog.asus.com/uk/monitors/above-34-inches/rog-strix-xg43uq-model/ and it’s plugged into my Mac’s only HMDI port and it works perfectly.


At the moment I’m using a old ish 49” Samsung TV as a secondary monitor for my Mac but as I’ve got no more HDMI ports left on my Mac I actually use a HMDI to Thunderbolt adapter to connect the TV to my Mac (until today I had absolutely no idea about the adapter overheating thing) So my question is still the same as before which is… As I haven’t got a spare HDMI port one my Mac and as I can’t use a adapter anymore, then how would I hook up new Sony Bravia XR to my Mac as a secondary monitor? I’m assuming I need this cable https://www.amazon.co.uk/Cable-Matters-48Gbps-Adapter-Supporting-Gray/dp/B08QDV5H4M as it’s better than the adapter as I’m assuming the cable won’t overheat?


Basically the Sony Bravia XR will be replacing my old Samsung TV and before I spent hundreds on a Sony Bravia XR I needed to check if the Sony Bravia XR would connect to my Mac with that HDMI to Thunderbolt cable seen here https://www.amazon.co.uk/Cable-Matters-48Gbps-Adapter-Supporting-Gray/dp/B08QDV5H4M


I hope this is much more clearer to understand because I’m not sure if I can ask any clearer :)

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