Apps no longer show up under Location Services under Privacy and Security after installing 13.5 update.
As a result users are unable to edit location permissions or see what apps have location access.
If a new app tries to request location services, it doesn’t show in System Settings so it’s impossible to enable it. Hopefully macOS 13.5.1 will address that issue.
Mac mini (M1, 2020)
dragontorc wrote:
Weather Guru, FindMy, Maps, Google Chrome, Safari and Siri are some of the apps that require location access.
App location privacy settings are no longer shown in the Security & Privacy preferences after applying the 13.5 update.
https://discussions.apple.com/content/attachment/597a0c29-0de6-4624-9b32-8b40ebbe8cbd
Yes, the Location Services in " Privacy & Security " has changed and does not Expressly List all the Applications that use this service.
This is a change in Appearance from previous version of Ventura
But it does not mean it is broken as per se
Have just done a few tests running some different Applications that would require this Location Service functions.
They all work as expected
I have noticed a newer appearance of an icon in Upper Right of the Menu Bar.
It will appear with a small Blue Dot and pulsate bright Blue and then to almost white each time an Application that uses the Location Service
It is part of the System Services which Location Service is part of it
We hope this answers your question or at least shed some light on it
All above is from a computer running Ventura 13.5
The Only Entity of Apple on there forums are the Apple Moderators
They work behind the scenes doing exactly that - moderating the forums.
IMHO - There has been sufficient advise offered for the User ( you ) to make an informed and educated choice what remedial actions are available to lodge their displease with this Feature change.
The suggestions have been put forth on a volunteer basis, in good faith and in the best interests of the computer.
You seem determined to establish that this is a "feature change" rather than a bug but I would suggest that the evidence points to this being a bug and that feedback should be sent to Apple to highlight this to be corrected in a future 13.5.1 update. Firstly, the blue dot you refer to in the Menu Bar was introduced with the 13.3 update, so is not connected to this incident. Secondly, the support page you linked to still refers to the list of applications and the ability to switch permissions for individual apps. Thirdly, the System Settings window itself still contains the phrases "Allow the applications and services below to determine your location." and "(Arrow) Indicates an application that has used your location within the last 24 hours." If this "feature" has been deliberately removed, then these sentences are redundant and should've been removed also.
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This is a bug and will be fixed.
When you go to "Privacy & Security: Location Services" using the Console - a whole bunch of locationd faults start showing up, all of which say the following:
{"msg":"clientRecord was not a dictionary or did not respond to expected selectors, skipping", "client":<private>}
Below there are 2 errors in the private log suggesting something went wrong with the TCC Database.
2023-07-26 11:19:04.659616-0400 0x1038ed Error 0x218808 170 0 opendirectoryd: (PlistFile) [com.apple.opendirectoryd:auth] Failed SecureToken authentication for A865CEC2-417A-4DB9-9522-A3B522CF95D3 other domain: invalid credentials
2023-07-26 11:19:04.808537-0400 0x1038ed Error 0x218808 170 0 opendirectoryd: (PlistFile) [com.apple.opendirectoryd:auth] Authentication failed for luke (A865CEC2-417A-4DB9-9522-A3B522CF95D3): ODErrorCredentialsInvalid
Looks like some failures to decode or authenticate against a SecureToken directly preceded the task. If anyone else wants to confirm these errors on their system, here's the command to run in Terminal:
log stream --predicate 'subsystem == "com.apple.opendirectoryd"'
FelixGarcia wrote:
This is a bug and will be fixed.
Indeed.
P. Phillips, may I ask why you are so adamant that this is a feature change rather than a bug? Do you have any official source that states this? It's not typical Apple behavior to change something critical like this without warning.
Apple generally keeps their fantastic documentation up to date, and I can't find this mentioned anywhere. Their support pages still state we should be able to control location services for third party apps.
Allow apps to detect the location of your Mac - Apple Support
Also, the blue dot you claimed to be new as part of this "feature change" has actually been there since 13.3. That is mentioned in the link above.
Perhaps the broken location service issue is partially caused by the most recent security patch for AMFI.
This leads me to point out that patch in question is - supposedly but not likely - the culprit for all our nightmares.
Clive Webber1 wrote:
You seem determined to establish that this is a "feature change" rather than a bug but I would suggest that the evidence points to this being a bug and that feedback should be sent to Apple to highlight this to be corrected in a future 13.5.1 update. Firstly, the blue dot you refer to in the Menu Bar was introduced with the 13.3 update, so is not connected to this incident. Secondly, the support page you linked to still refers to the list of applications and the ability to switch permissions for individual apps. Thirdly, the System Settings window itself still contains the phrases "Allow the applications and services below to determine your location." and "(Arrow) Indicates an application that has used your location within the last 24 hours." If this "feature" has been deliberately removed, then these sentences are redundant and should've been removed also.
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So far all I see is direct to me.
To put thins right I am not Apple but a User just like you.
So the questions become;
Have your directed your concerns directly to Apple ?
If not yet - when
Ask Apple if this is Bug or Feature Change as Only Apple can proved a definitive answer.
As for the wording you have correctly quoted.
In Apple Mail on Both macOS Ventura and iOS 16.6
Refer ito image below
Mail Setting >> Junk Mail >>> Blocked
One may have the " Move it to Trash " as listed in the UI by Apple - but we know it does not move to Trash but goes to Junk Folder
There are wording Oddities that do exist and no doubt they may get fixed If it truly and Error
You are so right! There are at least two other forums discussing it as a bug
You wonder why Ventura has the broken Location Privacy, so important to all of us.
Let's hope we will get a 13.5.1 soon that fix it.
My earlier post was deleted because I mentioned a Public Beta behaviour
and it's not allowed in these forums
I didn't know it. So I updated it.
It appears that the security patch for Apple Mobile File Integrity is partially responsible for the bug we're talking about, though we don't have a clever evidence yet to determine if the patch in question is the main cause of the issue.
In many cases a bug report has been filed and a fix is currently in the works. We had to wait until macOS 13.5.1 finally pops out.
The bug has been reported by several people including myself.
That means they're already working on a fix.
It's not a feature, it's a bug.
Current official documentation
"Turn Location Services on or off for each app in the list on the right."
https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/allow-apps-to-detect-the-location-of-your-mac-mh35873/mac
It will be a feature when the documentation changes.
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Tried to post this before, but I said a forbidden word. What I do know is that existing location permissions are intact and apparently functional, even if they aren’t displayed.
it’s a bug.
Unless we have an official confirmation about the real cause of the issue the security patch for AMFI remains the prime suspect for this bug.
Location Privacy is broken after installing 13.5 update
