How to view and edit an audio clip to time with a video clip without the video tracks moving up?

I'm trying to time a clip of audio to a video clip 3 'lanes' or tracks up. when I scroll down the audio clip EVERYTHING moves up. IN premiere and FCP7 I could easily scroll up and down video and audio without EVERYTHING moving. how do I make the video and audio independent to see the video track or lane that is 3 or 4 up so I can time an exact audio to it. I need to see both at the same time and can't figure out how?


Posted on Aug 14, 2023 12:49 PM

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Posted on Aug 14, 2023 1:53 PM

I don't think there's a way to split the timeline panel into two that scroll independently.


You could resize the timeline panel so it's taller and has more vertical space.


You could change the thumbnail size of the video tracks so they aren't as tall. Adjust timeline clip appearance in Final Cut Pro for Mac - Apple Support


You could move the SFX above the dialog lane so it's closer to the video.


You cold assign all your SFX to an SFX role, then view by role and focus to that role. Focus the timeline on a role in Final Cut Pro for Mac - Apple Support


For more info on Roles, https://youtu.be/fCrUffxS7wY

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Aug 14, 2023 1:53 PM in response to JDHfilms

I don't think there's a way to split the timeline panel into two that scroll independently.


You could resize the timeline panel so it's taller and has more vertical space.


You could change the thumbnail size of the video tracks so they aren't as tall. Adjust timeline clip appearance in Final Cut Pro for Mac - Apple Support


You could move the SFX above the dialog lane so it's closer to the video.


You cold assign all your SFX to an SFX role, then view by role and focus to that role. Focus the timeline on a role in Final Cut Pro for Mac - Apple Support


For more info on Roles, https://youtu.be/fCrUffxS7wY

Aug 14, 2023 1:55 PM in response to JDHfilms

There are no lanes or tracks to move up and down. You can reduce the size of the lanes and change the way they're displayed to make it easier to see the entire content of the pane. You can expand the timeline area to make it larger, or you can put it on another monitor if you have one.


I see that there is a gap clip on the primary storyline. If it's not being used the application is wasting a great deal of valuable space and also not allowing you to use the magnetic features of the storyline that make the application very efficient and quick to use. I'd suggest forgetting about the way you work in other applications and take some time to learn how this application works. It's a very different editing environment compared to traditional interfaces based on linear tape editing.

Aug 15, 2023 7:36 AM in response to Tom Wolsky

Yes i think that was the issue.

I clicked on show audio lanes which placed all the audio on what i would refer to as tracks per old method. So when i was cutting or moving in/out it was only effecting the video OR audio not both. I finally realized that button was the issue. When i clicked HIDE lanes the audio then appears like your snap shot with the wave form in the video lane. Which allowed me to adjust / edit both.

Is this is the right way to think about it - if i want to edit video audio together I HIDE the audio lanes. Then when i want to move them independently like move audio to start in the preceding clip as an example - I show the lanes and move audio or video with out them both being effected - similar to link and unlink video/ audio in the ‘old’ way of editing. So ‘unlinking’ video and audio from the ‘old’ method of editing is no longer needed as showing the audio lanes does that and hiding links them back with the changes that were made?


Aug 15, 2023 8:43 AM in response to JDHfilms

In the Browser you can organize (assign) Roles there as needed. Then in the Timeline Index you can toggle them on/off, focus them etc....


Then as you edit and place things in the timeline you can look at the Timeline Index, click on Roles, and see what roles you have. They'll have different colors as well which you can customize to a limited degree. So they act like lanes/tracks to a point but effectively do the same thing.


You can also Option Command N for a new Smart Collection and set it to only show what you want, in this case, what role(s) you want.

So like other editors, taking the time to organize in the beginning really helps the editing process later on. In time you'll have interesting decisions to make like, "Do I assign this clip a role or a keyword, or both?"

Aug 15, 2023 7:39 AM in response to JDHfilms

One thing that helped me when moving to FCPX from other non-linear editors was organizing at the outset. Roles really helped me a great deal. Now it's a habit for me to just spend a few moments making sure everything has the proper role before I start to edit.


You can also add custom roles which I do a lot for stuff like "B-roll" or "Sound FX" or "Room tone" and stuff like that.


I suggest learning and making using the Timeline Index a habit, it can really help keep things organized and can super speed up editing and making changes en masse.

Aug 15, 2023 10:07 AM in response to JDHfilms

" I could work on something at the 8 minute mark and leave everything alone there while I jumped to minute 3 or something to work on that section."


When I edit music videos I deal with the same kind of thing. I tend to use Gap Clips (option w to insert one into the Timeline). Then highlight it (by clicking on it or tapping "c" when the playhead is over it) and hitting Control D and typing the length you need it to be, then hit enter or return. Or just drag it to the length it needs to be.


There are also Placeholder clips under Elements in Generators but I rarely use them unless I'm handing off an edit to someone else. Option Command 1 > Generators > Elements >Placeholder


The timeline will still lengthen or shorten with Gap Clips or Placeholders if you add/remove things. For that you can use the standard overwrite or replace edits and even slips and slide edits. One thing to maybe get famlier with is the Position tool (tap "p" for it):


Arrange clips in the timeline in Final Cut Pro for Mac - Apple Support

"Overwrite clips using the Position tool"


You can use the Grave accent key (it's right above the Tab key on keyboards) in conjunction with the Position tool to move clips and break links.


Connect clips in Final Cut Pro for Mac - Apple Support

"Edit clips in the primary storyline without affecting connected clips"


Also, I find Markers incredibly helpful when editing, especially things I use gap clips a lot in like music videos and documentaries. Option M will insert one and give you options on what kind etc...


"I went back to the timeline and NONE of the clips were labeled? ALL of the corrasponding clips I've already been editing were not effected at all?"


This is a problem, yup. Totally agree. If there is a way I don't know it.


The reason is the "clips" in the timeline aren't the same "instance" as the clips in the Browser.


I totally understand why Apple does this, however, it would be nice to have a function that's something like "Assign Roles to Timeline Clips." which reminds me I need to send feedback to Apple about this again :)


I often get libraries and XMLs from editors that didn't assign roles to stuff before they begin editing so my workaround is this:


Open the Timeline Index (Shift Command 2) then click on Clips. Then type in the beginning of the clips I need to assign roles to, highlight them in the Timeline Index, then in the Timeline itself, right-click and assign them the role I need (or use the Role keyboard command). You may not see their color change right away, so sometimes I double check them by toggling their Role in the Timeline Index. Alternately, if you have the roles columns visible in the Timeline Index you can highlight and change clip's subroles there by right-clicking on the subrole in the column, but I think that's just for subroles.


But yeah, Apple could improve this, totally with you on that.


Aug 14, 2023 1:14 PM in response to Tom Wolsky

first pic you see the audio SFX but I can't see the video track I am trying to align it to.

when I vertically scroll up to see the video - I can't see and edit the audio. I am new to FCPX after over 25 years of FCP7 and premiere. they both allow you to move the audio tracks or lanes or whatever they call it in here - up and down WITHOUT moving the video up and down. this was a very fast and simple thing to do and can't find a button or way to do this?

thanks for the reply



Aug 14, 2023 3:12 PM in response to terryb

thanks again. any chance you might know how my video and audio are not editing together - the video and audio is linked when I click it - and they will move together. but if I move the timing of the video the audio doesn't move with it? if I cut a few frames off the video it only cuts the video not the audio. I've check a few times and the two are linked but somehow not editing together? I'm sure I hit something because it seemed to be working normally earlier. sorry to keep bugging but I try searching for this in the manual or online and nothing comes up that relates to my questions.

Aug 15, 2023 7:50 AM in response to W. Raider

Thanks. None of the tutorials i had been watching over last week discussed roles or index. It’s only been mentioned here. I’m finding how to videos on it now.


If i understand you correctly the index/ roles window is where i need to organize now - NOT in the timeline like i used to. I loved knowing that each ‘track’ had specific content - cam a, cam b, broll. I would usually drag and drop clips into those positions on the track in the timeline in the order i wanted - and then everything i needed was already in their designated track as i cut. And easy to find without have to dig through bins again.

Instead of that -

NOW I label each vid/ audio clip with a ROLE so as I edit and need something I do have to go back to the bin with that specific role as it is listed in the browser as CamA, Cam B, broll etc… and if i want to just focus on music or SFX I click the circle by role to isolate them into a lane’ then unclick to show all again. ?


Aug 15, 2023 8:59 AM in response to W. Raider

Thanks W. Raider. It really does seem like a lot of wasted time at the front end when I used to very quickly lay things out in a timeline on the tracks and then NEVER had to keep going back to a bin and 'searching' for a new shot. digging through bins and using keywords always left room to miss shots.

The magnetic timeline and having to dig through a bin feels more like linear editing and not NLE? This has been a lot more apparent as I also used to cut things that needed to be a certain length. and I often edit to timecode marks or to a specific piece of music. and I could work on something at the 8 minute mark and leave everything alone there while I jumped to minute 3 or something to work on that section. I rarely edit linear like this. As I'm trying to edit. when I 'bounce' around like this I'm finding that things are shifting all over.

anyway one thing at a time as I try to mentally make the switch.



SO back to roles...

- I just went into the Browser (Upper left window with smart collections and folders.)

I created new roles by selecting multiple clips at the same time and designated roles to everything.


Then I went back to the timeline and NONE of the clips were labeled? ALL of the corrasponding clips I've already been editing were not effected at all?

I can't imagine I now have to assign roles to everything in the timeline that has already been cut - how do I make the timeline clips match the role I already assigned to that clip?

I can't seem to find an answer to this .


thanks again -





Aug 15, 2023 1:27 PM in response to W. Raider

Thank you.

I’m trying to distinguish understanding the workflow differences with old and new editing and also what is and is not possible. This helps…


Assigning ROLES -


I get that assigning roles in the browser WILL NOT effect the clips already in the timeline. So i started to assign roles to all the clips i have in the lanes/ mag timeline. I right click - go to assign video role - and select the role - like Broll which is supposed to be orange. The clip however DOES NOT turn orange or associate itself with the index function of when soloing broll or hiding broll. The clip however DOES add the role in the name on the clip - now says NAME, Broll - but doesn’t turn orange or act like it should in the index?


this is happening - or not happening - for all of the clips in the timeline.

The clips that were assigned in the browser THEN dragged onto the timeline - also do not appear in the timeline as the color associated with the role. I’ve had two clips dragged from the browser that DID work for some reason, but can’t get any others to work. used the same process each time. Also some of the clips in the browser were batch selected and assigned so I didn't have to do one at a time. Does that matter?


I’m sure i am just doing something wrong here. But I’ve watch 3 how to videos on roles and it said right click/ assign video role should work?


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