In one photo album, "Keep sorted by title" doesn't seem to work

I have about 100 photos on my iMac that were old 35mm slides converted to digital JPG form by a Wolverine slide converter, which named the photos PICTxxxx.JPG. I then put them in an album, but I notice that choosing View > Sort > 'Keep sorted by title' doesn't put them in any order that I can determine, certainly not sorted by the PICTxxxx.JPG names. On any other album "Keep sorted by title" does work, just not this one. It must have something to do with the fact that they were given the names by the slide converter, but I'm not sure how to remedy the situation. I imagine if I override the given name and provide my own names it would then work, but I'd like them in the exact order that I processed them in the device (which is reflected in the name). If it helps, none of these photos are timestamped, so they all have the date of 1/1/2000. Any advice would be appreciated.

iMac 24″

Posted on Aug 15, 2023 6:30 AM

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Posted on Aug 15, 2023 7:33 AM

Photos distinguishes between the Title of a picture and the Filename. It sounds like your pictures have Filenames but no Titles. If there are no Titles, and you ask Photos to sort by Title, then it will sort by date (in your case, the time the slide was scanned), because all the pictures have the same (blank) title. I'm not really sure how they're ordered if dates and titles are exactly the same, as it seems in your case.


So if you want to control the order of the pictures, you need to give the pictures titles. I do that in two ways-- if I want to add titles before I import the pictures, I do it with GraphicConvverter ($40) which has all manner of batch operations. Mostly I use the app Photos Workbench ($30) which works within Photos on the System Library and can add titles with lots of different formats of your choice. A possible Title dialog looks like this:



You can include an Index starting with whatever number you like, and you can enter text like a category that's the same for all. You have lots of choices

and more.


I usually use a date, index, and category type title like: "23 08 15 - 027 - Swimming in the Lake." Then "Sort by Title" will put them in date order, and pictures on the same day will be in the order I want.


Workbench also has Find and Replace, so when you spell Swiming wrong, you can go back and change all occurrences. The company seems very responsive.


There are also scripts available for free, written by reliable users from this site, that automate title changing, but I find Photos Workbench to serve a number of useful functions.

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Aug 15, 2023 7:33 AM in response to rick7

Photos distinguishes between the Title of a picture and the Filename. It sounds like your pictures have Filenames but no Titles. If there are no Titles, and you ask Photos to sort by Title, then it will sort by date (in your case, the time the slide was scanned), because all the pictures have the same (blank) title. I'm not really sure how they're ordered if dates and titles are exactly the same, as it seems in your case.


So if you want to control the order of the pictures, you need to give the pictures titles. I do that in two ways-- if I want to add titles before I import the pictures, I do it with GraphicConvverter ($40) which has all manner of batch operations. Mostly I use the app Photos Workbench ($30) which works within Photos on the System Library and can add titles with lots of different formats of your choice. A possible Title dialog looks like this:



You can include an Index starting with whatever number you like, and you can enter text like a category that's the same for all. You have lots of choices

and more.


I usually use a date, index, and category type title like: "23 08 15 - 027 - Swimming in the Lake." Then "Sort by Title" will put them in date order, and pictures on the same day will be in the order I want.


Workbench also has Find and Replace, so when you spell Swiming wrong, you can go back and change all occurrences. The company seems very responsive.


There are also scripts available for free, written by reliable users from this site, that automate title changing, but I find Photos Workbench to serve a number of useful functions.

Aug 15, 2023 9:57 AM in response to rick7

Which system version is running on your Mac?


Sorting by the title is working differently, depending on the system version. On macOS 10.14 Mojave the filename would have been used as a default title when sorting by title, but on all more recent system versions Photos is no longer using the filename as a default title when sorting by title.

You can see, if a photo has a title, when you enable this option in the View menu: "View > Metadata > Title". And the aspect ratio button needs to be set to display the icons in the correct aspect ratio, not as tiled squares. Then photo will display the titles below the thumbnails, when viewing an album. The title will be dimmed, if Photos is showing the filename instead of a title, and the dimmed titles are not used when sorting by the title.


The dimmed, gray titles are the ones, where you would need to open the Info for the photo and copy and paste the filename to the Title field.


The aspect ratio button is in the toolbar, next to the size slider:

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