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Issue with Proximity Sensor during calls - Continued v2

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Posted on Aug 20, 2010 12:44 PM

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Aug 20, 2010 12:58 PM in response to Nubz N.

Oh my word, continuation again. Apple are you getting the message? Many users are still suffering from this issue and are waiting for a fix.

Please ignore people like M Empire, PBerk, Mbasoonc2003 and other idots flooding this forum.

Some people are not worried about their own ego's here, they are just loyal apple customer who deserve some answers.

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Aug 20, 2010 12:59 PM in response to Nubz N.

germanylostthewar wrote...
Your presence here has made posting on this forum practically unbearable. This is one of the reasons I don't post here. You and Himoura would make a nice couple. I have said what I have said regarding the proximity sensor issue and that's that. I am not an engineer, I am making assumptions based on what I do know. I find you guys and your attempts to discredit me rather amusing. If I have no credibility than please continue to mock one another and argue amongst yourselves.
And if I am simply taking pics that have been posted on the internet then please show me one example? What pics did I steal off the internet and use for my own evil agenda on this forum?


I resent that. Himoura's my wife. How dare you post disparaging comments about her. You're right. You're not an engineer. You are deducing things based on supposition just like everyone else. Either that ot you are confessing to breaching your confidentality agreement with Apple as a beta tester. You don't have the succinct clarity of someone who writes for the press, so if you are in the media, I'd assume it's something flowery. Either way, you said it yourself. You're not an engineer and you're only posting what you've deduced from the information you've gathered. Welcome to the forum That's what we're all doing here.

Aug 20, 2010 1:58 PM in response to Nubz N.

To everyone on this forum who is denying the PS problem and keep asking for a proof: The fact that the screen lights up (with or without buttons being activated) during a call with the speaker against the ear is enough proof of a sensor malfunction since one of the many functions of the PS is to shut down the screen light to save battery life during a call. So enough with the nonsense posts already.

Aug 20, 2010 2:14 PM in response to Goflying

I wish that were so. Then they would probably be taking prompter action. But the return rate three weeks in was substantially lower than most handsets at launch and only a quarter that of the 3GS. I suspect the return rate has remained incredibly low and the figures are further slewed down the way by the worldwide distribution that is now in the tens of millions.

At 5% return rate on a product I understand that becomes a 'significant event' that becomes declarable to shareholders, so we know they haven't reached that milestone yet.

Aug 20, 2010 2:26 PM in response to mbassoc2003

mbassoc2003 wrote:
I wish that were so. Then they would probably be taking prompter action. But the return rate three weeks in was substantially lower than most handsets at launch and only a quarter that of the 3GS. I suspect the return rate has remained incredibly low and the figures are further slewed down the way by the worldwide distribution that is now in the tens of millions.

At 5% return rate on a product I understand that becomes a 'significant event' that becomes declarable to shareholders, so we know they haven't reached that milestone yet.


a disclosable event is not triggered by a specific stock return level unless apple has entered into covenants re same. Suggest you take a look at sec rules for more info

Aug 20, 2010 2:30 PM in response to Goflying

Goflying wrote:
mbassoc2003 wrote:
I wish that were so. Then they would probably be taking prompter action. But the return rate three weeks in was substantially lower than most handsets at launch and only a quarter that of the 3GS. I suspect the return rate has remained incredibly low and the figures are further slewed down the way by the worldwide distribution that is now in the tens of millions.

At 5% return rate on a product I understand that becomes a 'significant event' that becomes declarable to shareholders, so we know they haven't reached that milestone yet.


a disclosable event is not triggered by a specific stock return level unless apple has entered into covenants re same. Suggest you take a look at sec rules for more info

Still, unless you have insider knowledge, you don't know Apple's buying them back at record numbers. You may be guessing, but you likely don't have proof....

Aug 20, 2010 2:32 PM in response to zak75

zak75 wrote:
To everyone on this forum who is denying the PS problem and keep asking for a proof: The fact that the screen lights up (with or without buttons being activated) during a call with the speaker against the ear is enough proof of a sensor malfunction since one of the many functions of the PS is to shut down the screen light to save battery life during a call. So enough with the nonsense posts already.


Mine lights up my cheek during calls, but try as I might I cannot recreate the fault. It might light up my cheek but unless I sneak my finger in there, I can't get the phone to mute, dial or hang up on people. Seems like a lot of people have lit up faces butn cannot demonstrate the phone being 'faulty'.



Aside - Just noticed a little security gap with the site and the fact that Apple link it to your Apple I'D. If I lose my phone, Mr Phone Finder could go to forum, hit 'forgot password' and the recovery is sent to my e-mail address (ie the Apple Mail Client). So if you find an iPhone, it's always worth going to the mail client, getting their e-mail address, feeding it into the Support Login, doing a password recovery, and if they've ever logged on to Support before, hey presto, full access to their iTunes account, home address, phone numbers etc.

Aug 20, 2010 2:48 PM in response to lobsterghost1

rbrylawski wrote:
Goflying wrote:
mbassoc2003 wrote:
I wish that were so. Then they would probably be taking prompter action. But the return rate three weeks in was substantially lower than most handsets at launch and only a quarter that of the 3GS. I suspect the return rate has remained incredibly low and the figures are further slewed down the way by the worldwide distribution that is now in the tens of millions.

At 5% return rate on a product I understand that becomes a 'significant event' that becomes declarable to shareholders, so we know they haven't reached that milestone yet.


a disclosable event is not triggered by a specific stock return level unless apple has entered into covenants re same. Suggest you take a look at sec rules for more info

Still, unless you have insider knowledge, you don't know Apple's buying them back at record numbers. You may be guessing, but you likely don't have proof....


agree. I don't have any proof whatsoever, just a strong gut feeling that all is very much not as rosy in cupertino as it might seem.

For a company whose culture is steeped in phreakery, apple is showing an amazing inability to exert control.

too many screw ups, too many loose ends, too many whacky hires, too many media backlashes - maybe the senior staff went into dumb-mode while steve was away for so long

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Aug 20, 2010 3:21 PM in response to mbassoc2003

@mbassoc2003: You did not get what I wrote. The fact that your phone lights up during a call against your ear (even if you don't activate any buttons), is a "fault", "defect", "malfunction" by itself or whatever you wanna call it since one of the jobs of the PS is to turn the screen off during a call to save on battery. the other job of the PS is to deactivate the touch screen to prevent function activation.

Aug 21, 2010 12:27 AM in response to zak75

zak75 wrote:
@mbassoc2003: You did not get what I wrote. The fact that your phone lights up during a call against your ear (even if you don't activate any buttons), is a "fault", "defect", "malfunction" by itself or whatever you wanna call it since one of the jobs of the PS is to turn the screen off during a call to save on battery. the other job of the PS is to deactivate the touch screen to prevent function activation.

Fault implies malfunction. I can see that the design and implimentation of the sensor system is not the same as previous models, and that the design could be described as bad, but to all intent and purposes, the hardware appears to be doing exactly what it is supposed to do. It's badly designed hardware for some users, yes, but for most users it's a design that they neither care about or are impacted by. And the battery life on my iP4, whilst it may be being drained needlessly by the screen during a call, still far exceeds athe battery time on any previous iPhone model or any of my other smartphones.

I'm pushing for real corroberatable evidence of the fault, because if real evidence were collected, and the implications of that evidence put down in writing clearly and concisely (failure during an emergency call on either end for example), then you may see some interest and progress of this issue outside of the quiet backwaters of mediocrity where this issue currently resides. The issue should be being pushed to the forefront by the people who have a problem, instead of them being happy to sit on their a$$es and whine every few days just to make sure we all still know they're pi$$ed off.

It's a case of encoraging people to grow balls and backbones and start using them.

Issue with Proximity Sensor during calls - Continued v2

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