HiRes Lossless Audio via lightning port

Hi community members,


Currently, I have a Yamaha AV receiver (RX-V677) which is an Apple MFi certified device as it has the “Made for iPod/iPad/iPhone” certification symbol.


I am able to connect my iPad Air (running iOS 17.0.2) to the RX-V677 via the supplied lightning to USB-A cable. The RX-V677 is then able to access and play music from my playlist and albums in Apple Music. I can also control playback functions like stop/pause/skip/next or previous track using the RX-V677 remote.


The quality of the audio is fantastic but I am not sure if the audio being sent through to the RX-V677 receiver is lossless or HiRes lossless. When I check the input format of the audio being set through the USB, the RX-V677 says it is “Digital” and 2 channel and nothing more.


When I play a HiRes lossless music in the Apple Music app, I do see the Lossless or HiRes Lossless indicator. So I know that the iPad has downloaded or is streaming the HiRes lossless audio.


I am also aware that the RX-V677 supports FLAC/WAV up to 24bits/192khz and ALAC up to 24bits/92khz.


As some of the music I play are in HiRes lossless 24bits/192khz, the RX-V677 still happily plays the audio although 92khz is the limit.


So my thinking is that the interface that connects the iPad to the RX-V677 is using PCM/WAV streaming audio packets rather than sending the ALAC file contents through to be played. Or that the interface downgrades the HiRes lossless audio stream to something like 24bits/48khz.


Can anyone confirm what audio format is being streamed or sent using this type of connection?


thank you for your time,


Norman.


Posted on Sep 30, 2023 7:32 AM

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Posted on Oct 30, 2023 4:07 PM

Hi all,


I have done quite a bit of research on this topic and I think I have found a definitive answer to my own question.


According to the MFi Accessory Interface Specifications for Apple Devices R2 spec, the USB Host mode audio requirements are:


  • 16-bit LPCM
  • 44.1 / 48 khz sampling rates


Ref: https://www.scribd.com/document/325596037/MFi-Accessory-Interface-Specification-for-Apple-Devices-R2


So it would appear Apple Music / Youtube Music Premium audio is streamed to my Yamaha RX-V677 is at most 16bit 44.1/48Khz (CD quality) via the USB "Dock Connector". So the Apple audio subsystem would be decoding ALAC or AAC audio files and converting to a 16bit 44.1/48khz LPCM stream.


So although the audio sounds great at CD quality, it is by no means Hi-Res (24bit 96/192khz) quality.


BTW, I also found information about a DAC that supports iPod/iPhone/iPad devices and the information about the audio streaming specifications is located here: http://www.ratocsystems.com/english/audio/dl/pdf/ral_keb02ip_iPodlegacymode_users_manual_1r10.pdf


I hope this helps others with old equipment that had "Made for iPod/iPhone/iPad" certification.




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Oct 30, 2023 4:07 PM in response to Norman Soh

Hi all,


I have done quite a bit of research on this topic and I think I have found a definitive answer to my own question.


According to the MFi Accessory Interface Specifications for Apple Devices R2 spec, the USB Host mode audio requirements are:


  • 16-bit LPCM
  • 44.1 / 48 khz sampling rates


Ref: https://www.scribd.com/document/325596037/MFi-Accessory-Interface-Specification-for-Apple-Devices-R2


So it would appear Apple Music / Youtube Music Premium audio is streamed to my Yamaha RX-V677 is at most 16bit 44.1/48Khz (CD quality) via the USB "Dock Connector". So the Apple audio subsystem would be decoding ALAC or AAC audio files and converting to a 16bit 44.1/48khz LPCM stream.


So although the audio sounds great at CD quality, it is by no means Hi-Res (24bit 96/192khz) quality.


BTW, I also found information about a DAC that supports iPod/iPhone/iPad devices and the information about the audio streaming specifications is located here: http://www.ratocsystems.com/english/audio/dl/pdf/ral_keb02ip_iPodlegacymode_users_manual_1r10.pdf


I hope this helps others with old equipment that had "Made for iPod/iPhone/iPad" certification.




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