Small Time Machine backups take longer than big ones, Disk First Aid taking *hours*

  • Daily time Machine backups to a half-full 2TB external drive are taking 20-40 minutes each time
  • Internal drive has 436GB of 500GB in use...
  • ...but very little of that changes day-to-day — most of my work is in webapps and a handful of spreadsheets
  • If I leave the drive plugged in, hourly backups (always far less than 1GB) take even longer...
  • ...sometimes literally hours to back up 600-800MB...
  • ...always getting hung up between 40% and 50%, then suddenly finishing that last 50% in about a minute


  • So I thought I'd run Disk First Aid to see if there's anything wrong with the drive...
  • ...but for some reason that seems to involve thoroughly checking every single snapshot on the drive
  • First Aid has been running for literally hours, and it's still "Checking snapshot 3 of 70"...
  • ...so at this point it may be days before First Aid finishes
  • What is that about?!


  • The slow backups were a problem on my previous computer, and my previous drive as well.
  • But when I got this computer a few years ago, it seemed better...for a little while
  • Also, when I eject this drive, it takes 10-30 minutes to actually stop spinning after being unmounted...
  • ...unless I sleep the computer, in which case it stops within 1-2 minutes


  • I've reinstalled the system software once, not directly related to this problem, but it didn't fix this problem
  • I've reformatted the backup drive. Twice. Then run First Aid and received a clean bill of heatlh.
  • Each time, it's better for a few weeks or a couple months, then I'm back here again.


I've read all the things, and found nothing helpful.


Taking all suggestions!


2020 M1 MBA running macOS 13.5.1 — but this has been a problem for ages

WP Elements 2GB external drive, APFS-formatted with USB-C direct into the computer

MacBook Air 13″, macOS 13.5

Posted on Nov 10, 2023 7:40 PM

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Posted on Nov 11, 2023 7:39 AM

100 Watt Walrus wrote:

So I thought I'd run Disk First Aid to see if there's anything wrong with the drive...

What drive? You didn't try running Disk First Aid on a Time Machine volume did you? You'll die before that completes.

The slow backups were a problem on my previous computer, and my previous drive as well.

What is "previous drive"?

WP Elements 2GB external drive, APFS-formatted with USB-C direct into the computer

I think you mean "WD Elements 2TB". You have to be specific about these things. Otherwise, people are just guessing. I'm going to assume you meant this drive: https://www.westerndigital.com/en-ca/products/portable-drives/wd-elements-portable-usb-3-0-hdd?sku=WDBU6Y0020BBK-WESN


That's a 2 TB 2.5" mechanical drive with a USB 3.0 interface. It is made by WD, who has developed a reputation for developing innovative new ways to save money and create slower devices. They sell 5 TB versions of this drive, which is highly suspicious. WD has been the subject of quite a bit of discussions regarding its new "shingled" hard drives that enable much higher amounts of storage with outrageously slow speeds. All those discussions centre around WD's use of this technology in its name-brand NAS and "colour" drives. I think it is safe to assume that this consumer external drive is also shingled.


To make a long story short, that drive is just ridiculously slow. It retails for about $100. For $200 you can get a 2 TB Samsung T7 with USB 3.2, which will run about 20-30 times faster.

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Nov 11, 2023 7:39 AM in response to 100 Watt Walrus

100 Watt Walrus wrote:

So I thought I'd run Disk First Aid to see if there's anything wrong with the drive...

What drive? You didn't try running Disk First Aid on a Time Machine volume did you? You'll die before that completes.

The slow backups were a problem on my previous computer, and my previous drive as well.

What is "previous drive"?

WP Elements 2GB external drive, APFS-formatted with USB-C direct into the computer

I think you mean "WD Elements 2TB". You have to be specific about these things. Otherwise, people are just guessing. I'm going to assume you meant this drive: https://www.westerndigital.com/en-ca/products/portable-drives/wd-elements-portable-usb-3-0-hdd?sku=WDBU6Y0020BBK-WESN


That's a 2 TB 2.5" mechanical drive with a USB 3.0 interface. It is made by WD, who has developed a reputation for developing innovative new ways to save money and create slower devices. They sell 5 TB versions of this drive, which is highly suspicious. WD has been the subject of quite a bit of discussions regarding its new "shingled" hard drives that enable much higher amounts of storage with outrageously slow speeds. All those discussions centre around WD's use of this technology in its name-brand NAS and "colour" drives. I think it is safe to assume that this consumer external drive is also shingled.


To make a long story short, that drive is just ridiculously slow. It retails for about $100. For $200 you can get a 2 TB Samsung T7 with USB 3.2, which will run about 20-30 times faster.

Nov 14, 2023 4:54 AM in response to 100 Watt Walrus

100 Watt Walrus wrote:

If not Disk First Aid, then what?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cs3Pvmmv0E


You've got to have faith.

I appreciate the 411 on Western Digital. I've used their drives for a long time, and bought this one out of habit and penny-pinching. I guess I'll bite the bullet and pony up for the Samsung. 4.8 starts from 29K reviews on Amazon is pretty hard to beat!

Samsung makes good external hard drives. That being said, Amazon reviews are fake.

Any knowledge of the less expensive Samsung T7 Shield or the Crucial X8?

I was just guessing about the price, and guessing in Canadian dollars. I just bought a 4 TB Samsung T7 Shield the other day. I've never purchased a Crucial, but other people recommend them highly.


There are still high-quality mechanical drives available, but they are difficult to find. You have to do a lot of research. Generally speaking, anything that runs at 7200 RPM or higher is high quality. If it doesn't say the RPM, don't buy. Also, the enclosure is very important. The enclosure that you get with any of those "consumer-grade" external drives is totally worthless. There are decent USB 3.2 and Thunderbolt enclosures available, but again, really hard to find.

Nov 11, 2023 7:22 AM in response to 100 Watt Walrus

User wrote " Internal drive has 436GB of 500GB in use... "


This will represent 87.2 % of the Total Internal Drive Capacity as Used.


It is generally a good computer practice to alway keep at least 20% (100 GB) to 25% (125 GB) of the Total Drive Capacity’s as Empty Space.


Allowing the computer to drop below these guidelines may eventually cause unintended consequences.


This could include the issue the computer is experiencing now - dead slow TM Backups


Nov 14, 2023 1:09 AM in response to etresoft

Thanks for the details, and sorry for the shortcomings. Yes, that's the drive. The "previous drive" was the Time Machine drive that proceeded this one. And yes, I did try to run First Aid on the Time Machine drive. Since you seem to have known that was a mistake, I'm now wondering what one is supposed to do if they need to test the integrity of their Time Machine drive. If not Disk First Aid, then what?


I appreciate the 411 on Western Digital. I've used their drives for a long time, and bought this one out of habit and penny-pinching. I guess I'll bite the bullet and pony up for the Samsung. 4.8 starts from 29K reviews on Amazon is pretty hard to beat!


Any knowledge of the less expensive Samsung T7 Shield or the Crucial X8?


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