Why do wifi networks disappear and appear, and become impossible to connect to?


I have five wifi networks available in my house; all are "Known" and

all have a strong signal and fast and work smoothly with my Mac or with

an Android smartphone.


As I am now experimenting with another internet service

infrastructure provider, I just added three networks, so that seems

related. However, there is no channel overlap between these.


I used Inssider for Mac and reviewed the channels, networks, and radios. All seems in order.


But they sometimes disappear and reappear. For example, I can stare

at "Wi-Fi Settings" and see some disappear and reappear a few times in a

minute.


Sometimes I click to connect to one of the found networks and get an error:



Could not join "[Network X]", the network could not be found


and that network disappears from the list.


I think it is related to this report about the same message in Sonoma. But the proposed fix, deleting the Wifi service and rebooting, does not work.



After several days, it became consistently impossible to connect to

several of the network, whereas before it was inconsistent. Nothing has

changed in the setup.


How do I avoid this?



Mac Sonoma 14.1.1 (23B81), Mac Pro 2021.


MacBook Pro 16″, macOS 14.1

Posted on Nov 23, 2023 4:45 AM

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Posted on Nov 23, 2023 6:48 PM

You need to dramatically reduce the width of most the channels assigned to your 2.4 GHz band. ONE Router that wide hogs the ENTIRE 2.4 GHz band, and you have at least five of your own.


Provided your networks are spread out across that band, then your connections will drop less often.


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From where you are measuring, your 5 GHz signal is not very strong.

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Nov 23, 2023 6:48 PM in response to JoshuaFox

You need to dramatically reduce the width of most the channels assigned to your 2.4 GHz band. ONE Router that wide hogs the ENTIRE 2.4 GHz band, and you have at least five of your own.


Provided your networks are spread out across that band, then your connections will drop less often.


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From where you are measuring, your 5 GHz signal is not very strong.

Nov 23, 2023 7:16 AM in response to JoshuaFox

If you are using 2.4GHz, there are only 3 non-overlapping channels (1,6,11). If you have 5 or 8 networks each set to a different channel, they are overlapping for sure.


It would help this discussion if you provide specific details about your router & defined networks and the channels they are using. There is also the possibility of periodic contention from other WiFi access points that may be in your neighborhood. At my son's house we can see dozens of WiFi networks tripping all over each other. We had to set his network to a high 5GHz channel to get him a clean & reliable signal.


FWIW, here's a reference for WiFi channels -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels

Nov 23, 2023 7:15 AM in response to JoshuaFox

JoshuaFox wrote:

They are on different channels. There is no contention, as shown by Inssider. On severalk Android, Windows, Linux devices, as well as this Mac until recently, no such problem occurred.


'different channels' is NOT sufficient, as each nominal channel spills up and down the spectrum and uses MANY adjacent channels as well as its nominal channel. Wikipedia has a chart you can use to examine the spread of each channel, depending on channel width and channel number, but it's complicated.


This "spectrum" graph from inexpensive Utility WiFi Explorer from the Mac App Store can show the spectrum used for each channel.


Most of these networks 'connect just fine' but are NOT working:


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