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Confused, Final cut pro 10.7 doesn't support Dolby Vision according to Apple document?

I'm just beginning to deal with HDR since I just bought a HDR mornitor for my MacMini


and I can see Final cut pro can output

Rec 2020, 10 bit PQ

or

Rec 2020, 10 bit HLG, Dolby vision


so I guess

Rec 2020, 10 bit PQ = HDR10

Rec 2020, 10 bit HLG, Dolby vision = Dolby vision


But I checked other document and introduction video says. Dolby vision is 12bit. not 10bit

and HLG is another HDR standard. just like HDR10 and Dolby vision.


and Apple official document says

Export HDR files in Final Cut Pro for Mac - Apple Support (SG)


"

inal Cut Pro does not support the creation of other HDR formats, such as HDR10+, Dolby Vision, and Advanced HDR, but you can use Final Cut Pro to export an HDR movie with the Rec. 2020 PQ standard and then use other color grading software to generate the necessary metadata for these formats.

"


what is This???????


so I'm super confused right now.

is PQ and HLG is a type? not a standard? are they on ths same logic level.


like fast and slow they are on same logic level.

you can be ether fast or slow, can't be both at same time.

now, Final cut pro is saying HLG with Dolby Vision. this is fast and slow at same time. I don't understand.

How can two HDR standards at same time?


and is Final cut pro dolby vision or iPhone dolby vision fake?

since they are just 10bit?


Is there a document available to clear this confustion?





Posted on Dec 1, 2023 2:02 AM

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Posted on Dec 2, 2023 12:25 AM

First of all relax. Your confusion is understandable. I know. I've been there. However, the confusion is almost entirely in the terminology - the process is much simpler.


So to cut to the chase, Dolby Vision is essentially a delivery system and what you want to do or need to do with Dolby Vision depends entirely on what you are delivering to or for. If you are not delivering for broadcast or cinema (and I'm guessing not from your post), then you can basically forget about the complexities of delivering Dolby Vision. If you are then you are in the wrong place and you would need to be looking at DaVinci Resolve.


The best explanation I've come across recently for the HDR protocols and Dolby Vision in general is from Dolby Vision themselves - their support material is top class and really easy to understand. Rather than post a link which might get cut, go on the Dolby Vision site and search for Dolby Vision for Social Media - FAQs. This is an excellent article which should clarify all that you need to know about the terminology.


For an excellent if long video on HDR editing, check out the masterhdrvideo dot com website - From Scene to Screen video. I wish I'd discovered this when I started into HDR editing in mid-2020 although I'm not sure it actually existed then. Unfortunately the site is no longer being updated as the guy is not apparently working for Dolby Vision - maybe he is writing the support notes. In any case, it is highly authoritative and accurate - really worth the time spent watching it.


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Dec 2, 2023 12:25 AM in response to Beterhans Pan

First of all relax. Your confusion is understandable. I know. I've been there. However, the confusion is almost entirely in the terminology - the process is much simpler.


So to cut to the chase, Dolby Vision is essentially a delivery system and what you want to do or need to do with Dolby Vision depends entirely on what you are delivering to or for. If you are not delivering for broadcast or cinema (and I'm guessing not from your post), then you can basically forget about the complexities of delivering Dolby Vision. If you are then you are in the wrong place and you would need to be looking at DaVinci Resolve.


The best explanation I've come across recently for the HDR protocols and Dolby Vision in general is from Dolby Vision themselves - their support material is top class and really easy to understand. Rather than post a link which might get cut, go on the Dolby Vision site and search for Dolby Vision for Social Media - FAQs. This is an excellent article which should clarify all that you need to know about the terminology.


For an excellent if long video on HDR editing, check out the masterhdrvideo dot com website - From Scene to Screen video. I wish I'd discovered this when I started into HDR editing in mid-2020 although I'm not sure it actually existed then. Unfortunately the site is no longer being updated as the guy is not apparently working for Dolby Vision - maybe he is writing the support notes. In any case, it is highly authoritative and accurate - really worth the time spent watching it.


Dec 6, 2023 2:58 AM in response to Clint Gryke

Thank you very much for the tips


So Dolby vision is a very big thing.

it's PQ or HLG is just a parameter inside the big thing Dolby vision

it's just the profile 8.4 HLG is been selected for small or personal video production, not for big studio or blue ray.


let me try to understand the words

"Final Cut Pro does not support the creation of other HDR formats, such as HDR10+, Dolby Vision"

it means it don't support other Dolby vision config used in Bluray or cinema right? but only one small config used in personal social media production which is profile 8.4 HLG


Thank for sharing the website again.





Dec 8, 2023 12:46 AM in response to Beterhans Pan

Beterhans Pan wrote:
So Dolby vision is a very big thing.
it's PQ or HLG is just a parameter inside the big thing Dolby vision
it's just the profile 8.4 HLG is been selected for small or personal video production, not for big studio or blue ray.


That's more or less correct but it's more like Dolby Vision is a package for delivery of HDR video (and indeed SDR with HDR in a single package) rather than PQ and HLG sitting inside Dolby Vision. HDR10+ is another package (Samsung specific I think).


The HDR can be either PQ or HLG which are transfer functions that essentially determine the tonal range of the video (similar to gamma curves for SDR). When you grade, you choose a timeline according to whether you want to monitor your grading in PQ or HLG. The color space (e.g. Rec2020, Rec709 etc) is independent of the transfer function. You can export in either or both with some modifications to the grade. HLG is also a capture format - confusing?


If you have not yet watched that Scene to Screen video that I mentioned in the previous post, I highly recommend it as a couple of hours well spent.


I am no expert by the way - just learning as I go. Replying to a post like this gets me to make sure I'm on solid ground - hopefully I am.





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