Does regular recovery and internet recovery access the same disk utility?

Does regular recovery and internet recovery access the same disk utility?


(Intel based mac)


Basically currently deciding which mode to use as I intend to erase the top ssd and reinstall macos.


I hear some people say use the regular one. I hear others say use the internet one as it will use a new fresh downloaded macos.


What is the go to here?


Also. Both access something called disk utility where you erase the whole SSD. Is this the same disk utility in both modes, aka that even if I use internet recovery the interal SSD is wiped as if I had use the regular recovery mode?


Thanks

MacBook Pro 13″, macOS 14.1

Posted on Dec 3, 2023 6:26 AM

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Posted on Dec 3, 2023 7:30 AM

Jonisen22 wrote:


Also. Both access something called disk utility where you erase the whole SSD.

Whatever you plan to do - Make Time Machine Backup  before proceeding and even better may 2 Separate TM Backups


To Erase the Whole SSD as in image below ?



If Yes this is the Whole SSD - Internet Recovery Mode would be required


You can not Erase the Entire SSD while booting via the Internal Recovery Mode


The Internal Recovery Mode is built.


You can not erase itself while booting into it


The other More Drastic Method, which is not often suggestion without totally understand the ramifications of this action.


Again, Caution is Highly Recommended


This method will WIPE ALL Data and there is No DATA Recovery - Period.


➡️ Only works on Intel Based Apple Computer ⬅️


To perform this action will require booting from a Bootable Installer


The Bootable Installer can Only be performed on an Apple Computer 


This will have to be performed from a Qualifying Computer to run the version of macOS to be made on the Bootable Installer.


Example : Bootable Installer of Sonoma would have to be done on a computer that Qualifies to run Sonoma.


Notation: If the computer being used to perform this action is Too New or Too Old to qualify to run the version of macOS - this computer can not be used.


Alternative is, to gain access to a Qualifying Apple Computer from a family member, friend or associate.


Extra Special Notation regarding the Touch ID equipped Apple Computer.


 About Startup Security Utility and Must Enable from Recovery Mode the ability to boot from External Drive Before Attempting 


1 - Shutdown computer and disconnect all external drive Except the newly created Bootable Installer.


2- Restart and immediately hold the OPTION key until the Startup Manager appears and choose the USB Drive. 


3 - It will present options >> Disk Utilities >> View >> View ALL attached Drives. 


4 - Choose the Upper Most Drive ( not the volumes indented and list below ).


5 - The drive normally is called Apple Media or Apple SSD - that is the drive to Erase and format as APFS with the GUID Partition Map.


6 - Once that is done >> backup out of Disk Utilities and choose install macOS. 


7 - Follow the prompts and it may automatically reboot several time. 


8 - Upon a final reboot - Setup Assist will present with the newer version of macOS.


9 - You can use Setup Asset and point it to the Time Machine Backup Drive. This is a One Time offer. Thereafter you will need to use Migration Assist 




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Dec 3, 2023 7:30 AM in response to Jonisen22

Jonisen22 wrote:


Also. Both access something called disk utility where you erase the whole SSD.

Whatever you plan to do - Make Time Machine Backup  before proceeding and even better may 2 Separate TM Backups


To Erase the Whole SSD as in image below ?



If Yes this is the Whole SSD - Internet Recovery Mode would be required


You can not Erase the Entire SSD while booting via the Internal Recovery Mode


The Internal Recovery Mode is built.


You can not erase itself while booting into it


The other More Drastic Method, which is not often suggestion without totally understand the ramifications of this action.


Again, Caution is Highly Recommended


This method will WIPE ALL Data and there is No DATA Recovery - Period.


➡️ Only works on Intel Based Apple Computer ⬅️


To perform this action will require booting from a Bootable Installer


The Bootable Installer can Only be performed on an Apple Computer 


This will have to be performed from a Qualifying Computer to run the version of macOS to be made on the Bootable Installer.


Example : Bootable Installer of Sonoma would have to be done on a computer that Qualifies to run Sonoma.


Notation: If the computer being used to perform this action is Too New or Too Old to qualify to run the version of macOS - this computer can not be used.


Alternative is, to gain access to a Qualifying Apple Computer from a family member, friend or associate.


Extra Special Notation regarding the Touch ID equipped Apple Computer.


 About Startup Security Utility and Must Enable from Recovery Mode the ability to boot from External Drive Before Attempting 


1 - Shutdown computer and disconnect all external drive Except the newly created Bootable Installer.


2- Restart and immediately hold the OPTION key until the Startup Manager appears and choose the USB Drive. 


3 - It will present options >> Disk Utilities >> View >> View ALL attached Drives. 


4 - Choose the Upper Most Drive ( not the volumes indented and list below ).


5 - The drive normally is called Apple Media or Apple SSD - that is the drive to Erase and format as APFS with the GUID Partition Map.


6 - Once that is done >> backup out of Disk Utilities and choose install macOS. 


7 - Follow the prompts and it may automatically reboot several time. 


8 - Upon a final reboot - Setup Assist will present with the newer version of macOS.


9 - You can use Setup Asset and point it to the Time Machine Backup Drive. This is a One Time offer. Thereafter you will need to use Migration Assist 




Dec 3, 2023 1:36 PM in response to Jonisen22

Jonisen22 wrote:

So I take it disk utility is same for the internal part but the disk images part is different as one is the built in recovery and in internet recovery mode it uses a disk image recovery partition from online?

Correct.


By Virtue of the very name " Internet Recovery " is based on the Apple Servers


Thusly, it would allow the Erasing of the Entire Drive ( as outlined earlier )


It should be mentioned, Internet Recovery will require Very Stable and Reliable Internet Connection


If going that route, really suggest using an Ethernet Cable from Computer to Router


Wifi connections are far less reliable and stable


You do not what to in the middle of the processes and loos a connection


Further and of that reason, I personally would goes the Other Route, Bootable Installer


It is better to have the Installation Media in your physical possession that to rely upon the Apple Servers

Dec 4, 2023 10:45 AM in response to Owl-53

Hmm i feel like this confused me more. Cause I seem to be able to wipe the whole drive in regular recovery mode too. Just by erasing the top level SSD. But the disk image (which I assume is the recovery partition called macos base system) looks different in regular recovery as compared to internet recovery but I guess thats just the disk image in my computer vs connecting to a disk image on the internet.

Dec 4, 2023 2:43 PM in response to Owl-53

I guess yes and no.


I see people talking about how you can wipe the whole thing etc etc with internet recovery and I never understood if that just meant the SSD (under internal in disk utility) or also the disk images too (aka disk1s1 in internet recovery or macos base system in regular recovery mode). Or maybe people are referring to completely different things and I just missunderstond what they mean by wiping the recovery partition etc.

Dec 4, 2023 6:57 PM in response to Jonisen22

Jonisen22 wrote:

Does regular recovery and internet recovery access the same disk utility?

(Intel based mac)

Basically currently deciding which mode to use as I intend to erase the top ssd and reinstall macos.

Why? Since Big Sur, the OS is mounted read-only from a sealed snapshot of the System Volume. It can't be altered or corrupted short of a disk problem, but if that is the case, the new one won't last long, either.


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