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Connecting to Apple USB-C port with USB-A and USB 3 (USB-3) cables

The new M3 iMac spec says it has two Thunderbolt / USB 4 ports and two optional USB 3 ports. The back of the computer has four Type-C (USB-C) ports, two marked with the Thunderbolt lightning and two unmarked. Based on this reference (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB) and personal experience, one would expect a USB 3.n port to be a Type-A connector with a blue insert which would be backward compatible with older ubiquitous USB Type-A connectors with the white insert. That is not the case. One must use an adaptor (i.e. USB-C to USB Adapter - Apple) to connect a USB 3 cable to the USB 3 ports on the new iMac. Am I misunderstanding or is Apple taking liberty with their naming conventions?

iMac (M3, 2023)

Posted on Dec 4, 2023 6:30 AM

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Feb 4, 2024 6:12 AM in response to donfromsandy

One telltale sign that the M3 iMac does not have USB-A ports on it, despite Apple stating USB 3 or USB 3.1 is that USB-A ports are rectangular and USB-C ports are smaller and rounded at each end. The last iMac to use USB-A (USB 3.0) ports was the 2020 27-in Intel iMac. The M3 iMac pictures on its technical spec page show smaller USB-C ports.


I continue to use these reliable USB-C to USB-A adapters instead of similar function cables for USB-A connector peripherals.

Dec 4, 2023 7:12 AM in response to dialabrain

That may be, so shouldn't the unmarked ports be identified as Type-C or USB C rather than USB 3? My point is that the specs seem to be misleading as to the type of physical ports. Buyers might expect to be able to connect older cables to the USB 3 ports. Perhaps a footnote could say that one can connect USB 3 cables to the USB 3 ports with readily available adaptors. ;-)

Feb 3, 2024 7:42 PM in response to donfromsandy

donfromsandy wrote:

Based on this reference (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB) and personal experience, one would expect a USB 3.n port to be a Type-A connector with a blue insert which would be backward compatible with older ubiquitous USB Type-A connectors with the white insert. That is not the case. One must use an adaptor (i.e. USB-C to USB Adapter - Apple) to connect a USB 3 cable to the USB 3 ports on the new iMac. Am I misunderstanding or is Apple taking liberty with their naming conventions?


USB 3.0 is a protocol that runs over multiple types of connectors. These include:


  • USB 3.0 A
  • USB 3.0 B
  • USB 3.0 Micro-B
  • USB-C


https://www.cablestogo.com/learning/connector-guides/usb


Right on and in my desk, I think I have examples of all of them! For instance, if you've ever bought a portable USB 3.0 hard drive, odds are that it has a USB 3.0 Micro-B port – and came with a USB 3.0 Micro B to USB 3.0 A cable. You can get USB-C to USB 3.0 Micro B cables that cut out the middleman.


People also use "USB 3.0" to refer to USB-A ports that support USB 3.0, but that is not the only meaning.

Feb 4, 2024 9:37 AM in response to donfromsandy

donfromsandy wrote:

That is very interesting. Is this a curious way Apple advertises they are putting "old" electronics behind a new style port for the expected backward compatibility as well as for USB-C and/or Thunderbolt? One just needs an adaptor.


USB-C is just a connector, and some standards that devices use to figure out how to talk with each other across that connector. Even though it was created to support features that USB-A can't support, there is no guarantee that any particular USB-C port will support all of the good features.


I believe, for instance, that standards would allow one to offer a USB-C port that only supports USB protocol at USB 1.0 and 2.0 speeds! Users might consider this a cruel joke, but it is allowed.


That said, most USB-C ports (power/charging ports excepted) will support "traditional" USB of some kind. This isn't an Apple-specific thing. The goal was to offer backwards compatibility with "traditional" USB, even as the industry moved to a more modern, more capable connector.

Feb 3, 2024 1:43 PM in response to donfromsandy

Bought my wife a new iMac with 4 USB C. Are they supposed to charge the rechargeable mouse and keyboard, because they don't seem to? Seems to me the supplied cable should plug into one of thoe 4 ports and be able to charge the mouse/keyboard. Is there a hardware monitoring widget that notifies the user when the mouse/keyboard is low in charge, and perhaps also notifies if the attached device is charging that I havent set in settings somewhere?

Thank you

Feb 3, 2024 1:55 PM in response to donfromsandy

donfromsandy wrote:

Based on this reference (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB) and personal experience, one would expect a USB 3.n port to be a Type-A connector with a blue insert which would be backward compatible with older ubiquitous USB Type-A connectors with the white insert.

Although this is basically true. The USB 3.x standard is also available on USB-C type ports ... as well as Thunderbolt 3/4 standards on these same ports. It's the electronics "behind" the port that makes the difference.

Feb 3, 2024 7:25 PM in response to Hawklord1858

Hawklord1858 wrote:

Bought my wife a new iMac with 4 USB C. Are they supposed to charge the rechargeable mouse and keyboard, because they don't seem to? Seems to me the supplied cable should plug into one of thoe 4 ports and be able to charge the mouse/keyboard. Is there a hardware monitoring widget that notifies the user when the mouse/keyboard is low in charge, and perhaps also notifies if the attached device is charging that I havent set in settings somewhere?
Thank you


My Mac puts up notifications when the battery charge level on my wireless Apple keyboard and wireless Apple mouse start getting low.


The keyboard is rechargeable; the mouse takes "AA" batteries. Both are ones I used with an older Mac.


I grabbed an Apple Lightning to USB-A cable and daisy-chained it with an Apple USB-C to USB adapter. When I plugged the keyboard into a front-panel USB-C port, the charging icon in System Settings > Keyboard changed slightly. The estimated keyboard charge level remained frozen as long as I was anywhere in System Settings. I quit out of System Settings, launched it again, and the reported charge level jumped by 8%.


Your Mac is probably charging your keyboard, but just not doing a good job of telling you that it is doing it.

Feb 4, 2024 5:35 AM in response to Hawklord1858

If you see the Bluetooth symbol in the upper right of the menu bar, clicking on it will show the charge level and status of Bluetooth devices. If it is not there, go to Settings, Bluetooth, where you can also see status and turn on the Bluetooth icon in the menu bar for easier access. The included USB-C/Lightning cable is used to recharge the Bluetooth mouse/trackpad and keyboards.

Feb 4, 2024 1:48 PM in response to Servant of Cats

Servant of Cats:


Thank-you very much for your reply. It is very helpful to learn that the designation "C" refers only to the connector's physical configuration, or form factor, not to be confused with the connector's specific capabilities, such as Thunderbolt 3, DisplayPort 2.0, or USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB-C).


I appreciate your reference to a cruel joke!

Connecting to Apple USB-C port with USB-A and USB 3 (USB-3) cables

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