In the action Menu, I am not seeing the option MOVE FILE.
This seems really weird.
Is it true one can only copy the document and paste it into another folder?
This seems to create unnecessary work because then I've got to go back and delete the old file.
Thanks to all and Happy Holidays.
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MacBook Pro 14″, macOS 14.1
MartinR wrote:
On Macs:
Under APFS:
Dragging a file to another location on the same Volume will move the file. Option-dragging will copy the file.
Dragging a file to a location on a different Volume or Drive will copy the file.
Under HFS+:
Dragging a file to another location on the same Drive or Partition will move the file. Option-dragging will copy the file.
Dragging a file to a location on a different Drive or Partition will copy the file.
The action menu does not have a "move" function.
Works in most folders and is info I as a person that have used Apple and Mac computers from 1990 on, know. What I was asking relates specificity to the folder /Applications on Sonoma and the apps in it.
MartinR wrote:
On Macs:
Under APFS:
Dragging a file to another location on the same Volume will move the file. Option-dragging will copy the file.
Dragging a file to a location on a different Volume or Drive will copy the file.
Under HFS+:
Dragging a file to another location on the same Drive or Partition will move the file. Option-dragging will copy the file.
Dragging a file to a location on a different Drive or Partition will copy the file.
The action menu does not have a "move" function.
Works in most folders and is info I as a person that have used Apple and Mac computers from 1990 on, know. What I was asking relates specificity to the folder /Applications on Sonoma and the apps in it.
On Macs:
Under APFS:
Dragging a file to another location on the same Volume will move the file. Option-dragging will copy the file.
Dragging a file to a location on a different Volume or Drive will copy the file.
Under HFS+:
Dragging a file to another location on the same Drive or Partition will move the file. Option-dragging will copy the file.
Dragging a file to a location on a different Drive or Partition will copy the file.
The action menu does not have a "move" function.
If you drag and drop to a folder in the same drive, it moves. It has always been that way.
It is a quite simple operation, because the file does not go anywhere, what changes are which folders (actually, directories) point to the location of the file.
Moving from one drive to another is a completely different thing.
You can hold down the COMMAND key and do a move instead of a copy; but what happens is that,
behind the scenes, the file IS copied, and then the original is deleted by the system.
If need be, I prefer to copy the file manually and then delete the original. If the copy phase fails, for some reason, you may lose data.
If you want to move by cutting the file and pasting it somewhere else instead of the simple method of drag and drop, hold down the option key when you paste after copying the file.
Copy and Moving files in MacOS:
Drag and Drop from local drive to local drive will MOVE files.
You must hold “Option” key and see the Plus sign. Then it will COPY and not MOVE.
Drag and drop from local drive to external drive will COPY files by default.
You must hold “Command” key to change from copy to Move. You will see the Plus sign by default. Pressing Command will remove the Plus sign and allow Move instead of Copy.
Randall_2023 wrote:
Copy and Moving files in MacOS:
Drag and Drop from local drive to local drive will MOVE files.
You must hold “Option” key and see the Plus sign. Then it will COPY and not MOVE.
Drag and drop from local drive to external drive will COPY files by default.
You must hold “Command” key to change from copy to Move. You will see the Plus sign by default. Pressing Command will remove the Plus sign and allow Move instead of Copy.
Yes these commands/actions are ones I have used for years. The problem I have has only come up in Sonoma where the Applications folder seems to be locked up tight. For example I don't trade stocks so why can I not removed the stocks app or move it to a sub-folder "/Application/Not used". Or how do I do that when the above commands and action don't work?
TopSteve wrote:
No, on my sonoma install, I am tying to move apps I don't use to a sub folder but no mater what I do it makes links. It is very frustrating.
You can't move apps that are shipped as part of the OS. Just leave them be.
You don't need to wander into the Applications folder to use the apps, anyway. You can use Launchpad, as Yer_Man suggested, but there are other options.
I am partial to Spotlight - I just press command-space and type the first two or three letters of the name, and press enter. A lot of people use the Dock.
You can also make your "Favorite Apps" folder and make aliases of the applications you want, so you never see the rest unless you want to.
Thank you for your comments but they don't answer the question I posed.
As for Spotlight, I have never found it useful. Using a Graphical User Interface (GUI), I use the Graphics/Icons. If I wanted to use Text to find my Applications then I would use a TUI (Text User Interface).
As for "Launchpad" that is just a different way of displaying the Application folder, It does not give any functional difference than opening a folder.
As for "Just leave them be" why should I? It's My computer, not yours.
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The reason why you cannot delete them is because, although the Finder makes it look like they sit in the Applications folder, they do in fact live (since Big Sur, perhaps, or Catalina) in /System/Applications.
This location is mounted as part of the read-only and sealed system volume.
You could try and jump through hoops to remove them, but this would probably invalidate the system checksum or something, so it is uncertain if the system would still be bootable after that. I also don't use Stocks, or Chess, or several others, but I don't own the OS.
If this is unbearable to you, perhaps you should install some version of Linux and get more control of what you can or cannot do. Apple owns macOS, not you or me.
Yes, you are right we outright Own the computer
Though, the Operating System used on the computer is Leased to use
How and why it works as it does , is totally the domain of Apple
Check the EULA terms of use
Legal - Licensed Application End User License Agreement - Apple
Thank you for your replay. This was much more helpful than any of the others including your first replay.
In fact I do use Linux on two of my other systems, OSX Tiger Server on my iMac G4, OSX Mavericks on my Core 2 Duo Macbook Pro, Windows 10 on my i3 Lenovo and OS/2 on my 486 PC.
As for ownership, this is a completely different topic but I would hope that the owners (Apple) would be keeping an eye on these forums and might take some comments and feed them back to the design team. Yes I know about the feedback app and will be using it to.
As for "Launchpad" that is just a different way of displaying the Application folder, It does not give any functional difference than opening a folder.
No it's not. One major (and relevant) difference is that you can organise the apps into folders.
It's My computer, not yours.
Remember no one responding here works for Apple, no one here - or indeed at Apple is claiming ownership of your computer. But while you do own the computer you do not own the Operating System (nor indeed any other item of software on it). These are licensed to you for your use. They are licensed as-is. It's all in the terms of use you (never) read when you agreed to them when you first started up the machine.
When I say "It is my computer not yours". It was a reaction to being told by you "What to do" as if I was being instructed on the use of your computer, instead of "how to do what I wanted to do or if it was posable to do it or not". I am not saying that you or any one is claiming ownership of the computer.
I also feel insulted by you pointing out "Remember no one res.........." Do you really think I don't know these things.
As for (nor indeed any other item of software on it)
Considering you do not have any way of knowing what items of software I have on my computer apart from the OS and the items that come with the OS then such a blanket statement is not true. For example I may have software that I have written and there for clearly I do own it.
Yer_Man wrote:
As for "Launchpad" that is just a different way of displaying the Application folder, It does not give any functional difference than opening a folder.
No it's not. One major (and relevant) difference is that you can organise the apps into folders.
What I mean is that in versions of OSX that allowed the Applications folder to be organized with sub folders "Launchpad" gives no functional difference to just opening the Applications folder in the Finder. It's almost as if to give a resin for the existence of "Launchpad" Apple had to restrict the ability to move apps in the Applications folder.
Again I understand these forums are not run by Apple but I'll take a guess that they are not completely blind as to what is being said into them.
I also feel insulted by you pointing out "Remember no one res.........." Do you really think I don't know these things.
You shouldn't feel insulted. I have no way of knowing what. you know already or don't know. For instance you say
Again I understand these forums are not run by Apple
But they are run by Apple. So can you see how people reading your responses might be confused as to the level of your knowledge?
Considering you do not have any way of knowing what items of software I have on my computer apart from the OS and the items that come with the OS then such a blanket statement is not true. For example I may have software that I have written and there for clearly I do own it.
Has splitting that particular hair got you any closer to a resolution of your issue? I hope so. Well done.
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