What will happen if I interrupt Time Machine clean up?
Backing up took 18-19 hours after upgrading to Sonoma. Now, it's cleaning up. If I interrupt clean up will I lose the backup?
MacBook Pro 16″, macOS 14.2
Backing up took 18-19 hours after upgrading to Sonoma. Now, it's cleaning up. If I interrupt clean up will I lose the backup?
MacBook Pro 16″, macOS 14.2
TM is busy deleting old and "expired" backups in anticipation of the next incremental backup.
That's also the reason it takes people by surprise when they see so much empty space after a backup finishes. They didn't see how much was left in the interim. TM never deletes old, "expired" backups until after it finishes a newer one, thus ensuring you always have at least one at any given time. For at least a little while, your TM backup disk will require twice as much space as the source volume's contents — plus an additional amount for temporary storage.
It is taking a long time because of the enormous number of files that need to be backed up subsequent to upgrading macOS. It's ok to interrupt it.
TM is busy deleting old and "expired" backups in anticipation of the next incremental backup.
That's also the reason it takes people by surprise when they see so much empty space after a backup finishes. They didn't see how much was left in the interim. TM never deletes old, "expired" backups until after it finishes a newer one, thus ensuring you always have at least one at any given time. For at least a little while, your TM backup disk will require twice as much space as the source volume's contents — plus an additional amount for temporary storage.
It is taking a long time because of the enormous number of files that need to be backed up subsequent to upgrading macOS. It's ok to interrupt it.
The backup won't fail. It's already finished. TM is extremely conservative in that regard. It's designed to cope with all sorts of interruptions. You can (and probably should) completely ignore it.
Subsequent backups won't take as long, although I have observed sometimes it takes two or three backups before it eventually settles down. The "cleaning up" stage will just take as long as it needs. And, depending on that Mac's previous macOS version it may also convert the backup disk to APFS, which it also does in the background. That takes a very long time, and again it's best to just ignore it.
If Time Machine takes a long time to back up - Apple Support
gfiedel wrote:
Backing up took 18-19 hours after upgrading to Sonoma. Now, it's cleaning up. If I interrupt clean up will I lose the backup?
I have "interrupted" the "cleaning up" phase of Time Machine many times when in a hurry to shut down my laptop and go somewhere with it and it never has caused me a problem. I have also interrupted Time Machine even WHILE doing a backup, to eject the backup disk or shut down the Mac and it always catches up next time it is connected. The key is to wait to allow the Mac to eject the drive in an orderly way or shut down using its normal process. That usually takes less than 10 or 20 seconds at most.
That's correct. TM has to delete old and expired backups eventually. You can interrupt it without any consequence, and it will just have to pick up where it left off.
gfiedel wrote:
Backing up took 18-19 hours after upgrading to Sonoma. Now, it's cleaning up. If I interrupt clean up will I lose the backup?
Time Machine only works when actives— so it will resume when you stop interrupting...
It's ok to connect your backup drive only once in a while. When recharging the Mac, for example, might be convenient. Time Machine maintains "Local Snapshots" that can be used to completely restore the Mac's content. They are created automatically, and are written to the TM backup drive when it is finally connected. They are overwritten about every 24 hours so that's as far back as you can "restore" from them, should that be required.
About Time Machine local snapshots - Apple Support
"Local Snapshot" limitations involve the storage capacity of the source volume, and the fact they won't be useful if that source volume fails, becomes unbootable, etc.
So, connect the TM backup drive overnight, when recharging, or whenever it's convenient for you. As you found out though, it will begin to complain after ten or more days elapse without connecting a backup drive.
An even better idea is to have two or more of those backup drives, and connect them in rotation.
Thanks so much, John. That's great information and also explains why this is happening after upgrading to Sonoma from Catalina (yes, I know- a big leap postponed for way too long).
If I interrupt the clean up will the back up fail? In other words, I am trying to determine if I will lose all the progress made on this back up over 18-19 hours if I interrupt the cleaning. ALSO if I interrupt it, will my next back up take just as long.
Thanks again, John. I appreciate the support you're giving me and I hope you don't mind another follow-up question- It would be helpful to understand specifically what you mean by "ignore it".
I suppose I should explain a bit further why I even want to interrupt the cleaning.
We cannot do backups via our Wi-Fi, so I use two hard-wired external drives that are not Wi-Fi compatible. It's faster this way anyhow, and it's a reliable approach, but this means my MacBook Pro isn't portable while backing up or cleaning. I use my laptop in different locations in our home and home office for varying purposes, so it's problematic to be literally tied to the location of the drives. If portability were not the issue, it would be easy just to let it do its work and ignore it.
NOTE: I am being extra cautious because when I upgraded to Sonoma, I didn't realize my backups were failing until I received a notification that I hadn't backed up for 12 days. Then, one of my drives failed after it had run overnight, saying it couldn't complete the backup. It said it was backing up via battery power even though I was connected to a power source. I found the checkbox for allowing it to backup using battery was checked, unchecked it, and began again with the second drive. So this is the backup that is currently running.
If I can interrupt the cleaning without losing the backup, that would be awesome.
Thanks again!
I do have two drives and rotate, connecting both via one cable every night before bed as a habit. Occasionally, I connect more frequently if I want to connect a third drive that is also part of the daisy chain that has files I keep externally due to internal drive space limits.
I think where I went wrong causing the 12-day elapse was assuming the 2 backups, one on each drive, were completed during the night, long before my early morning start, as they have always been before upgrading the system. I didn't realize I was skipping the first backup of the night. Ouch! But now I understand.
I'm still curious if what you meant by "ignore it" includes disconnecting and interrupting the cleanup. That it will be inconsequential. Is it correct that the longer I can let the cleaning go, the less there will be to clean tomorrow?
Thanks again.
Thank you, Steve. That's great to know!
Thank you. I am trying to determine if I will lose all the progress made on this back up if I interrupt the cleaning.
What will happen if I interrupt Time Machine clean up?