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Thunderbolt speed problems.

Hallo


I have some strange issues with my mac studio 2022 M1 Max, 32 GB, 1 TB, Sonoma 14.2.1.


I have several enclosures connected with NVME drives. I have 2 "Acasis" enclosures with both the same crucial drives, Crucial P3 4TB M.2 PCIe Gen3, in them, and then I have a OWC 4M2 enclosure with 2 x ADATA XPG SSD SX8200 Pro 2TB M.2 PCIe, installed and on SoftRaid.


So the problem is the following: One of my Acasis-enclosure drives gives me aprox. 2200 MB / Sec. and the other one gives me 900 / 500 W/R MB / Sec.

I have tried to connect them in different ways, via TB-HUB and directly, and usiong different cables, even a org. Apple TB4 cable. Once I was able to get the "slow" one to the "high" speed, and the other one to "low", but never both to high.


Then I have my RAID-0 with the OWC 4M2 box. That one gives me aprox. 1700 MB / Sec. on my Mac Studio.


I tried to install a WD Black SN850 4 TB disk in a sabrent TB enclosure, and that gives me around 1700 MB, but I would expect it to be higher with this kind of disk, right?


All disks have been formatted with APFS


If I connect the 4M2 to my newly purchased Mac Mini M2 Pro with the same cable etc. I get 5000 MB / Sec.

The Mac Mini M2 Pro is on the same version of Sonoma.


So my question is, does anybody have a good explanation for this?


I have heard that you can somehow "reset" the ports on a mac, but not sure. Could it be an NVRAM / PRAM reset to do it?


Thanks for any input on this one.


Br. Ulf - Denmark :-)

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Posted on Jan 19, 2024 9:35 AM

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Jan 19, 2024 10:19 AM in response to UlfLaursen

Wwe do see reported speeds for the internal drives in Mac studio approaching 5,000 M Bytes/sec WRITES and 3,500 M Bytes/sec Reads on a quick test, such as the one built into Etrecheck.


This result is almost 'backward' from expected measurements. This is likely due to a large built-in Write buffer on the drive, which makes writes appear faster on a short-duration test.

Jan 19, 2024 9:47 AM in response to UlfLaursen

I question your measurement of 5,000 M Bytes a sec on any Mac except in an internal slot in a Mac Pro.


ThunderBolt-3 or 4 Macs can get up to nominal 2500 M Bytes/sec on an appropriately fast SSD drive in a ThunderBolt-3 enclosure, provided they use a non-busy ThunderBolt controller on the Mac (not shared controller busy servicing displays or other drives on a second Mac port) supported by a typical 32 G bits/sec (PCIe2 x4, or PCIe3 x2 amount of bandwidth). 


Iin the case of M-series Macs, one ThunderBolt port is generally serviced by one ThunderBolt controller, so there is no other traffic competing.

Jan 21, 2024 2:08 PM in response to UlfLaursen

Yes, this is a problem with the Mac Studio that I've personally experienced.


If you run a hardware diagnostic from the recovery/boot menu it will also tell you there is an issue which apple support told me was related to PCI bus width. If you disconnect one of the external thunderbolt enclosures the error goes away.


The workaround that I found for (my) problem is to use powered thunderbolt hubs.


You don't need four hubs. If you're using four external thunderbolt drives you only need one hub. Connect two of the drives to the hub and the other two directly to the rear I/O. Bam, speed is full on all external drives and everything works. The Mac also says all four drives are connected over PCI-E, so it's not using USB on the hub.


I think the problem is the Mac Studio cannot supply enough power for that many devices so the powered hub helps. Your mileage may very, I don't use the acasis drives but do use another brand. You may need more powered hubs than I have depending on your machine and setup.


Edit: Correction, I have three drives connected directly to the thunderbolt ports and the fourth is on my thunderbolt hub. So I'm getting full speed. But if you connect two drives to the hub the speed of those two drives will be halved in a raid array setup.

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