install Yosemite on a blank hard drive

I have an iMac from around 2005 or so and I want to give it away. I've removed the drive from the computer because I couldn't remember what if anything was on it. Turns out it's blank. I've tried to install Yosemite on it from one of my Mac Pro computers by using a USB adaptor from OWC using an installer for Yosemite but I get a message that the installer is "too old to be opened on this version of OSX."

I want to end up with an OS that will run on that computer. I don't really care which one. I tried this Yosemite installer because it's the only one I have.

I don't want to put the drive back in the iMac until I get an OS on it because I'm not entirely sure if it will work and I don't want to have to take it apart again.

Any help would be great.

Bob

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Posted on Jan 20, 2024 1:37 PM

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Jan 20, 2024 4:11 PM in response to SchenkerBob

Not crazy at all.


There are, at least, two methods available to you:

  1. Create a bootable installer, or
  2. Create a bootable clone << not really available as your iMac would need to be operational to create the clone ... but would be a good idea once it is.


Since you have an older Mac Pro, the first method would be the one you would want to try. You would use the Mac Pro to create the bootable installer onto a USB stick/drive. Then boot up the iMac with it. From there you would go through the process of installing OS X.


This process is relatively straight forward. All it requires is an external USB stick/drive with at least 14GB capacity, and a full installer of the version of OS X that you want to install on your iMac. Since we know that Mac cannot be upgraded past El Capitan, you will want the full installer for that. The following support article should take you through the steps: Create a bootable installer - Apple Support


Note that your Mac Pro must be running El Capitan or later to be able to download the El Capitan installer from Apple.

Mar 6, 2024 2:39 PM in response to SchenkerBob

Hi again--

The other day I began creating another boot disk, hopefully the last one I'll need. I've run into an issue that didn't come up when you helped me with this last time.

I successfully set up the Terminal command to install Yosemite on a thumb drive. It worked until it got to actually running the install. At that point I got a message that there was a problem erasing the disk (the thumb drive) and the operation could not be completed. I thought at first there might be some oddity about that particular drive, so I got another brand, same 16 GB size, USB 2. Same result.

Do you have any advice? Let me know if you'd like to see the message in Terminal. I didn't think to save it, but I can run it again for you.


Thanks again,

Bob Schenker

Mar 13, 2024 11:42 AM in response to BDAqua

Thanks for your help. Much appreciated. I had what I was fairly sure were legitimate flash drives, but decided it was more likely that they were just short of having enough space on them for this job (they were all 16GB). So I bought a pair of 32GB drives from an actual store rather than online. That did the trick. I now have two boot disks, one for Yosemite and the other for El Capitan.

One reason I wanted the Yosemite one is that I have an SSD drive with that OS that I use to run older hardware and the necessary software. For stuff like my graphic design Epson ink jet printer with an accompanying RIP that would cost thousands to replace. And other stuff too. A few months ago I went to use this drive and noticed that Safari and System Preferences were missing! I'll have to do a reinstall. But I would like to avoid having to also reinstall all the software, which will be torture. Any idea if that's even possible? I've never had a situation like this before, and I'm talking 30 years of Mac.

Thanks either way.

Bob

Jan 20, 2024 3:00 PM in response to SchenkerBob

The A1224 should be a 2007 model. That one can be upgraded up to 10.11.6 (El Capitan) ... so a bit better, and you can still get El Capitan from Apple here: How to download and install macOS - Apple Support


A pre-2009 iMac, that originally came with Snow Leopard or earlier, did not include a Recovery partition on their internal drives. That would mean that the typical method to re-install OS X was to use the provided installation discs with the computer.


Alternately, if you don't have them, you would acquire a OS X Snow Leopard installation disc from Apple, and then, boot up your system with it to get it installed. However, I don't believe Apple still sells them. Hopefully, the support article I provided you a link for may help you around this.


Ref: https://www.macworld.com/article/672001/command-r-not-working-how-to-reinstall-macos-if-recovery-wont-work.html

Jan 21, 2024 4:46 PM in response to SchenkerBob

Ok, a successful creation of the bootable installer should provide you with the PNY that will be bootable and should start the installation process for El Capitan.


... so, after it is created, you would remove it from your Mac Pro, and then, with the power-off insert it into a free USB port on your iMac. You would then power-up the iMac. If it doesn't "see" the bootable installer, you can power-up the iMac again, but this time hold down the alt/option key until the Startup Manager appears. From there, you would select the PNY from where you want your Mac to start from.

Jan 20, 2024 5:31 PM in response to SchenkerBob

Ok, let's backtrack a bit to help me understand where you are with this process. So here's a few questions:


  • You're using your Mac Pro to create the bootable installer ... correct?
  • Your Mac Pro is running OS X El Capitan or newer operating system ... correct?
  • You successfully downloaded a full installer of El Capitan from the Apple site, and that installer shows up in the /Applications folder on your Mac Pro ... correct?
  • You ran the Terminal app, and then, entered the following command after the prompt: sudo /Applications/Install\ OS\ X\ El\ Capitan.app/Contents/Resources/createinstallmedia --volume /Volumes/MyVolume --applicationpath /Applications/Install\ OS\ X\ El\ Capitan.app


In the above command be sure to change "MyVolume" with the actual volume name of the USB drive.

Jan 21, 2024 1:24 PM in response to SchenkerBob

SchenkerBob wrote:

Disk Utility shows my thumb drive with it's product name as "PNY USB 2.0 FD Media." I renamed it "64GB flash 1" so I could tell which one it is, as I have more than one of these.

Ok, "PNY USB 2.0 FD Media" is the name of the physical device. In Disk Utility (if you selected "Show All Devices) it would appear at the same level as your Mac's internal drive. In my case, my Mac's drive is named: APPLE HDD HT..."


Under that physical drive would be the names of any volumes that are on that drive. By default, on a newer formatted drive, it would only have one volume. This is the one you could rename as you see fit. Again, using my Mac's internal drive, that single volume is called: Macintosh HD


So, in this case using the Disk Utility, you should see your PNY external drive under the External category in the left-side window. Below it would be the name of the single volume. That's the volume that you should rename. To make the command simpler, rename that volume to "MyVolume" (without the quotation marks.)


Now, let's look at that command line, in more detail.

sudo /Applications/Install\ OS\ X\ El\ Capitan.app/Contents/Resources/createinstallmedia --volume /Volumes/MyVolume --applicationpath /Applications/Install\ OS\ X\ El\ Capitan.app


  • sudo /Applications/Install| OS| X| El| Capitan.,app/Contents/Resources/createinstallmedia
    • The "|" symbol is used when there is a space in the name. You would find the installer in the /Applications folder, with the name: Install OS X El Capitan.app. Thus those symbols were added to denote that there are spaces.
    • The app that needs to run, createinstallmedia, is located within the app's contents (although you only see a single file, it is comprised of several folders within it.
    • So, this part of the command is telling where the createinstallmedia app is located to run it.
  • --volume /Volumes/MyVolume
    • This is a qualifier for the createinstallmedia app to where it will create the installer on the PNY drive. Your Mac "sees" this location in the /Volumes/ folder when you inserted the drive into your Mac.
    • MyVolume is just a placeholder name. The name you created would be used instead. However, since it has spaces, you would need to add the "|" symbols. Again, to make this easier, you can just rename it to MyVolume.
  • --applicationpath /Applications/Install\ OS\ X\ El\ Capitan.app
    • This is a second qualifier for the createinstallmedia app. It tells the it where to find the installer file. This would be the path to it on your Mac.


I'm sorry if this is becoming too difficult, but it is the only way I know to create an installer ... outside having the original installation discs that came with this Mac.

Jan 22, 2024 9:43 AM in response to SchenkerBob

I will look forward to your results.


Keep in mind the purpose of the bootable installer. The best way to look at its purpose is with an example. Let's say you have a few old Macs that you want to "get running" again where you had to replace their internal drives or their existing drives were completely erased. Kinda like what you have in your case. These are very common so you are in good company. A lot of us like keeping their old Macs and do what we can to keep them going.


You would use this installer to boot up these Macs, and then, use it to re-install an operating system on it.


This method is typically used when an older (pre-2010) Mac:

  • Does not have a recovery partition or its missing on their internal drive, or
  • Does not have the Internet Recovery Mode option in their firmware, or
  • Its original (or replacement) installation discs are no longer available / the Mac's CD drive is not functional

Jan 20, 2024 2:06 PM in response to SchenkerBob

AFAIK, all 2005 iMacs came with G5 PowerPC processors. They also cannot be upgraded past OS X 10.5 (Leopard) ... so creating a OS X Yosemite drive won't help you here.


Per chance, do you still have the original installation discs that this Mac came with? If so, you may be able to boot up with that disc to restore an operating system on it.

Jan 20, 2024 2:30 PM in response to Tesserax

I'm actually not sure what year the computer is. It's definitely newer than the G5 period. my wife used this as her computer for a number of years, until about four years ago. I'm pretty sure it had something like Yosemite on it. But it developed a buggy CD drive, which became really annoying so I got her a newer iMac, a 2017 model.

Here's the info from under the stand: Model A1224, ser. no. W88052P4X86. It's a 20" 2.4 gHz model.

Note that I have the drive out of the computer and hooked up to my 2009 Mac Pro (running El Cap) using a "Universal Drive Adaptor" from Other World Computing. It seems to me that because the drive is blank, it shouldn't matter what OS I want to install on it.


Jan 20, 2024 2:57 PM in response to SchenkerBob

I dug into the tech specs pages and it seems like it's likely an "early 2008" model. 20" 2.4gHz with 1GB of RAM and a 320 GB hard drive. Apple lists this with a different model number than what was printed on the bottom of the pedestal. No idea what that's about. This model came with OS Leopard installed. I could install that. I have discs for most of the old OSs. I think it would make this computer incompatible with current online protocols, but whatever...

Still hoping for possibility of a somewhat newer OS.


Jan 20, 2024 3:12 PM in response to Tesserax

I have the drive from the computer, but it's been wiped, so I took it out and connected it to one of my Mac Pros (also old) hoping I could install an OS that way. Also, the CD drive in the computer doesn't seem to work. The computer can't boot from a blank drive and I can't boot it from an install CD. So I was hoping to install an OS on the hard drive by connecting it to one of my Macs. Then put the hard drive back in the iMac and at least be able to start it up. Does this sound crazy?

I know I could just throw out the computer, but it really bothers me to do that unless there's no other option.

Bob

Jan 20, 2024 6:01 PM in response to Tesserax

Yes--using a 2012 Mac Pro running High Sierra to create the bootable installer

Yes to El Cap or later

I did successfully download the installer and it's in the Applications folder

I did run Terminal and changed "my volume" to the name of the flash drive I'll be using. I also realized I would need to reformat it from the non Apple formatting it came with. So I used Disk Utility to fix that.

Maybe the problem is the disk name. If I open it in Disk Utility I see two names: one is disk3s2. The other is what I named it: 64GB flash 1. Maybe Terminal doesn't recognize that?

install Yosemite on a blank hard drive

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