How to clean "purgeable space" on iMac macOS Monterey?

I have a lot of "purgeable space" on my system (Monterey, silicon). Lots of advice online about how to get rid of it and NONE OF IT WORKS. Restart, Optimize Storage, OnyX, Spotlight rebuild. Time Machine is not enabled. What's the trick?


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iMac 24″, macOS 12.7

Posted on Jan 24, 2024 6:40 AM

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Posted on Jan 24, 2024 9:42 AM

Are you running any VPN, Anti-Virus, or Cleaning apps?


We need to see what all is running, a report from this will not display any personal info...

Using EtreCheck - Apple Community


EtreCheck is a FREE simple little diagnostic tool to display the important details of your system configuration and allow you to copy that information to the Clipboard. It is meant to be used with Apple Support Communities to help people help you with your Mac. It will not display any personal info.

https://www.etrecheck.com/


Thanks for Old Toad’s etrecheck instructions…

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255121100?answerId=259529290022#259529290022


Use the Note tool on the bottom of this editor's toolbar, as shown in the image, to copy and paste the output from EtreCheck. In a Reply before you click post, look for this to add longer texts...

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Jan 24, 2024 9:42 AM in response to Dannymac22

Are you running any VPN, Anti-Virus, or Cleaning apps?


We need to see what all is running, a report from this will not display any personal info...

Using EtreCheck - Apple Community


EtreCheck is a FREE simple little diagnostic tool to display the important details of your system configuration and allow you to copy that information to the Clipboard. It is meant to be used with Apple Support Communities to help people help you with your Mac. It will not display any personal info.

https://www.etrecheck.com/


Thanks for Old Toad’s etrecheck instructions…

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255121100?answerId=259529290022#259529290022


Use the Note tool on the bottom of this editor's toolbar, as shown in the image, to copy and paste the output from EtreCheck. In a Reply before you click post, look for this to add longer texts...

Jan 24, 2024 7:52 PM in response to Dannymac22

Dannymac22 wrote:

Using SuperDuper for backups. If it uses such snapshots, why doesn't it remove them when the backup is completed?

Some apps will retain some snapshots for longer periods of time, even Apple's own Time Machine. Check the SuperDuper settings for its snapshot retention settings.


Also, if I've deleted snapshots, which is my purgeable space getting LARGER???

APFS snapshots are not the only thing which can be taking up storage space. Many times cloud file syncing services are responsible for disappearing storage space. Two easy ways to test:

  • Disconnect the Mac from the network.
  • Create a new macOS user account. Log out of the main user account & log into the new macOS user account. Avoid logging into your AppleID or iCloud with the new macOS user. Just see what happens since this new user account should not have any login items or cloud based services enabled.


Storage on recent versions of macOS and APFS file systems is very complex with Apple not providing any good tools to investigate issues like this since so many areas even of your own home user folder have restrictions placed on them. Plus there really is nothing a person can really do to control the System Data area where most of this Purgeable storage is being utilized.


Do you by any chance have "Optimize Storage" setting enabled in the iCloud System Preferences?

Free up storage space - Apple Support


Optimize storage space on your Mac - Apple Support



As for the EtreCheck report, I will leave that to @BDAqua and other more knowledgeable contributors since I am not a macOS software expert. I can, however, say that you should uninstall the Trusteer software by following the developer's instructions since anti-virus apps, cleaning/optimizer apps, and third party security software are not needed on a Mac. These types of software usually cause more problems than they solve since they interfere with the normal operation of macOS. While MalwareBytes is the one partial exception to the rule, there is still no need to use its real-time scanner. Only if your school or employer require the software should it remain, but I would try to have them accept MalwareBytes instead of Trusteer. macOS has great built-in security especially when combined with the user practicing safe computing habits as outlined in this excellent article written by a respected forum contributor

Effective defenses against malware and other threats - Apple Community


Jan 25, 2024 1:40 AM in response to Dannymac22

The first thing should be to uninstall trusteer. Completely useless and detrimental.

Also: restore security updates and SIP.


You have loads of VERY OLD stuff - this clearly indicates that you have migrated everything from a previous mac.

You still have Perian, which was deprecated a decade ago! Plus Real, Flip4mac....

All this old cruft can and will cause your system to slow down and potentially crash.


You have a very old VirtualBox that is not Apple Silicon compatible...


When setting up your Apple Silicon mac, you should have migrated ONLY the user accounts, and not everything.


You can still do it now. Make sure that you have a fully updated backup - I would actually have two, SuperDuper! and Time Machine on separate drives.

System Settings->General->Transfer or Reset->Erase All Content and Settings

Migrate ONLY the users

Reinstall the applications that you do need.





Jan 24, 2024 7:57 AM in response to Dannymac22

I wonder if Spotlight once thought it was enabled?


Purging local backups

Please note that although this doesn't affect your remote backup from Time Machine, this will get rid of the redundancy (at least until the next Time Machine backup) that a local backup disk will provide. If you need such redundancy or are worried about the recovery of your data then you would be best served to let macOS determine when to purge these files.

Start Terminal from spotlight.

At the terminal type tmutil listlocalsnapshotdates. 

Hit enter.


Here, you'll now see a list of all of the locally stored Time Machine backup snapshots stored on your disk.

Next you can remove the snapshots based on their date. I prefer to delete them one at at time. Once my "System" disk usage is at an acceptable level, I stop deleting but you can delete all of them if you want to reclaim all of the disk space.


Back at the terminal, type tmutil deletelocalsnapshots YYYY-MM-DD-HHMMSS , where will be one of the dates from your backup. This will be in the form of xxx-yy-zz-abcdef. Try to start with the oldest snapshot.

Hit enter.

Repeat for as many snapshot dates as required


http://www.thagomizer.com/blog/2018/03/27/cleaning-up-time-machine-local-snapshots.html


tmutil deletelocalsnapshots / # deletes all the snapshots

Jan 25, 2024 5:00 AM in response to Dannymac22

I can not speak to Shirt Pocket SD


But CCC and SafetyNet can acquired snapshot which can be managed from within the application is configured properly



There is Purgeable Space and there is Empty Space.


Purgeable Space which is Controlled by the Operating System.


When the Operating Systems decides the computer needs additional Empty Space, it will move a portion of the Purgeable to Empty space


AFAIK - there is no User Actions to hasten this transition from Purgeable to Empty Space


It can day or longer before this will occur.

Jan 24, 2024 8:23 PM in response to Dannymac22

Let's see if this doesn't cure that problem & the crashes of MenuCalendarClock iCal, PerfPowerServices, + the high CPU use of ApplicationsStorageExtension, & fseventsd...


Delete these files & restart...


/Library/LaunchDaemons/com.philandro.anydesk.service.plist

/Library/LaunchDaemons/com.klieme.TimeMachineScheduler.plist

/Library/LaunchAgents/com.microsoft.update.agent.plist

/Library/LaunchAgents/com.philandro.anydesk.Frontend.plist

/Library/LaunchDaemons/com.motive.systemDaemon.plist

/Library/LaunchAgents/net.culater.SIMBL.Agent.plist

/Library/LaunchAgents/com.motive.userAgent.plist

/Library/LaunchAgents/com.trusteer.rapport.rapportd.plist

~/Library/LaunchAgents/com.logmein.GoToMeeting.G2MUpdate.plist

~/Library/LaunchAgents/com.adobe.ARM.***.plist

~/Library/LaunchAgents/org.virtualbox.vboxwebsrv.plist

~ tilde indicates your home folder

Apple hid the Users' Library folders...


Method 1:

1 From the Finder, select the Go menu at top of the screen, and choose Go to Folder.

2 In the window that opens, enter ~/Library, and click Go.

Jan 24, 2024 1:40 PM in response to BDAqua

Oh you DO hit Reply" to see it.


Also, it's interesting, Disk Utility is SUPPOSED to tell you what app did the APFS snapshots. When I see a new one, I'll try to get that info. But I'm not clear. Are those snapshots what contribute to "purgeable" space?


BTW, my "purgable" space is now down to 2.3GB. After I killed off those two snapshots, that number went up. But maybe it took a while to digest the fact that those snapshots were gone?




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Jan 24, 2024 8:09 AM in response to BDAqua

OK, I had two snapshots - 2024-01-24-023056 and 2024-01-24-023827. Evidently just done today.

I have deleted them. But my purgable space now reads 8 GB for my internal disk. It's LARGER!


Who makes these snapshots? TimeMachine? Spotlight? I have Time Machine turned off. If Spotlight is doing them, and creating this purgable space, then maybe I don't want to remove the purgeable space if I want the Spotlight utility.


Amusing that it's called "purgeable space" when it isn't obviously purgeable.

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