Macbook Pro M1Pro always at 100% on efficiency cores - OS very slow!!

Hello everyone,


I'm not going to lie to you, I can't take it anymore. For months now, I've been struggling with my Macbook Pro M1Pro (10 cores) because it's extremely slow for basic tasks. This is mainly due to the fact that the two efficiency cores are permanently at 100%. Knowing that the processes that consume the most are WindowServer, kernel_task, coreaudiod, mds, etc. in short, mostly OS processes. And it's of course even worse when a TimeMachine backup is in run... As a result, as soon as I open an application like Mail or Zoom, it crawls to death and I can't open the system preferences window in less than 2 minutes for example. I've tried just about everything, including switching the application processes I need manually to the performance cores, using the taskpolicy -B -p command to change their allocation priority, but nothing works... It's really tiring... And the worst thing is that my Mac is permanently plugged in, but unlike the M3 Pro, there's no way of forcing performance mode... Grrr.

So if someone from Apple would like to take a look at this case, that would be great, because right now my computer is simply unusable. It's slower than my 2012 iMac core i5... A pity


Thanks in advance for your help,

Best regards,

MacBook Pro 13″, macOS 10.14

Posted on Feb 5, 2024 1:43 AM

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Posted on Feb 6, 2024 7:02 AM

Sécurité: 

  Gatekeeper: App Store et développeurs identifiés

  Protection de l’intégrité ** système: Activée

  Démarrage sécurisé: 


  Logiciel antivirus: Apple et F-Secure < -------that needs to GO!


Poisoning performance:


By far the easiest way to cause poor performance, instability, overheating and crashing is to install ANY third-party speeder-uppers, Cleaners, Optimizers, or Virus scanners. or a VPN that you installed yourself. The main reason is that they are relentless in scanning your files, non-stop, looking for things virus-like patterns in Everything. When completed, they do it all again.


The idea that a third party, with no special knowledge of the inner workings of MacOS, can somehow find a simple way to protect your computer — that is not already being done by MacOS itself — suggests that the MacOS developers are somehow "holding out on you". That is absurd.


You should remove any and all (other than Apple built-in) virus scanners, speeder uppers, optimizers, cleaners, App deleters or VPN packages you installed yourself, or anything of that ilk.


Third-party file Sync-ers such as DropBox, BackBlaze, OneDrive, or GoogleDrive can ruin performance, but are not inherently dangerous.


Effective defenses against malware and ot… - Apple Community


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MacOS shares a lot of the lock-down mechanisms developed for the iPhone. Applications are all sand-boxed with a list of the resources they require, and they cannot ask for anything outside their sandbox without crashing. Signed Applications are checked that they are from legitimate Developers, and Notarized Applications are delivered with the assurance that they have NOT been modified since their release by the Developer.


Recent versions of MacOS completely changed how you should think about malware.


From MacOS 11 Catalina onward, the system is on a Separate, crypto-locked System Volume, which is not writeable using ordinary means. Any unauthorized differences that appear to the crypto-locked volume are quickly detected and you are alerted.


So you could store just about every malware known to mankind on your Mac, and your Mac would not get infected spontaneously. Scanning for virus-like patterns might make you feel a little better now, but it is outdated nonsense.


Nothing can become Executable Unless/Until you supply your Admin password to "make it so".


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Feb 6, 2024 11:56 AM in response to Egon-058

Egon-058 wrote:

Yup, but the only thing I have to "protect me" is F-secure, and I didn't install it myself. 😊 The rest are, in worse case, utilities I don't run permanently but only when I need.
Nonetheless, 1) even in safe mode I still have the issue (so with all background running services disabled), and 2) it's a bit a pity that a wonderful 10cores Macbook Pro with the super great M1Pro (according to Apple) cannot handle few utilities

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I’d follow the steps suggested by Grant Bennet-Alder. Where you are assuming as ”non-issues” from the various apps and added “protective” mechanisms—in addition to the built-in macOS anti-malware—can all be potential culprits.


Debugging and troubleshooting involves verifying assumptions of course, as we wouldn’t be having this discussion if everything was working as everybody would assume, and would prefer.


All of the cited apps can and variously have added substantial overhead, too. And at unexpected times.


And yeah, I’d also prefer to avoid keeping backups on the same disk, though macOS can do that implicitly as part of Time Machine (so-called local snapshots), and as I’d want that external backup anyway.

Feb 6, 2024 12:25 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

Hello Grant,

Thanks for the lead. Maybe it is something related to this bug. The issue is much worse after waking up (coming from home to work for example) and opening again my computer after connecting my external screens... For example, here are some captures of the processes that run just after wake up and screen connexion this morning (with also my time machine disk connected). As you can see I'm at 100% on both cores 1 & 2.



My main issue is that I'm already on MacOS 14.2.1, so if this is issue, it should be solved according to your description 😓

Feb 6, 2024 7:30 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

Eheh, that would be too easy. i'm not using any antivirus (or optimization app) myself. I know they are useless, and usually slow down the computer. However, the computer was bought b my employer (university) and the informatics services installs F-Secure as the official antivirus for all computers.


Also, regarding your statement:

Third-party file Sync-ers such as DropBox, BackBlaze, OneDrive, or GoogleDrive can ruin performance, but are not inherently dangerous.

This is quite absurd, as these applications are part of most users' daily lives. If you cannot use the apps you want on your wonderful Macbook Pro that you paid a fortune, just because Apple and MacOS doesn't provide you with enough power, that's quite ridiculous 😅. Not saying that one or two Apps can be very badly optimized and shall be avoided, but common... If you cannot use GoogleDrive on your mac without ruining your performances, while a ChromeBook can 😝.

But the main issue with this statement here is that neither F-Secure, nor any sync apps are the major processes running in my Mac according to all the softwares/commands I use to list the softwares...


Finally regarding the Malwares policy, again I'm fully aware about Apple techniques, and I don't want to start a debate here (as I'm convinced I don't really need F-Secure (I already use other methods for detection)),but you're only very partially true about your conclusions. Your Mac is way less secured than what you think ;-) (Unless of course you don't go to the internet, only install Apps from the MacAppStore or even better only use the default installed ones). 😊



Feb 6, 2024 7:37 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

Again, this is not reasonable advice at all 🙂, especially as Apple doesn't support a whole host of VPN protocols natively. And it would be illusory to imagine that an advanced user could use his Mac without using a VPN. Not everyone can connect to their company network using IPSec... 😅 So, once again, it's a No Go for me. TunnelBlick will stay because I need it to connect to my university's servers 😊

Feb 6, 2024 7:43 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

As for Cleverfile, I only use it for deep file searches on keys and I've deactivated backup systems. Note that the problem was there long before I installed it last week ^^


As for DaisyDisk, I wonder why since the application only scans the disk when the command is launched.


And as for F-Secure, once again, see reason given above. But above all, for the moment it's deactivated (even if I don't have the right) and I still have the worry ^^.

Feb 6, 2024 8:05 AM in response to Egon-058

my advice about VPNs was supplied because it appeared you had installed your Own VPN software. Many users add this on as a result of massive over-selling as protection software by VPN vendors.


If you are using an Institutional VPN to be "present" on an Institutional network, that is an EXCELLENT use of VPN.


If your Institution REQUIRES added anti-malware software, then Of course you must run it.

Feb 6, 2024 8:29 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

Yup, but the only thing I have to "protect me" is F-secure, and I didn't install it myself. 😊 The rest are, in worse case, utilities I don't run permanently but only when I need.

Nonetheless, 1) even in safe mode I still have the issue (so with all background running services disabled), and 2) it's a bit a pity that a wonderful 10cores Macbook Pro with the super great M1Pro (according to Apple) cannot handle few utilities


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Feb 6, 2024 2:08 PM in response to MrHoffman

Hello,


Sadly i think you didn't read in enough detail I guess. First I tried in safe mode and issue's still there. And if you cannot install Tunnelblick on a Macbook these days I don't understand the point of buying these expensive machines anymore. But it may be that he's only targeting the less sophisticated consumers now... Who knows?


"And yeah, I’d also prefer to avoid keeping backups on the same disk, though macOS can do that implicitly as part of Time Machine (so-called local snapshots), and as I’d want that external backup anyway."


So you effectively didn't read much (neither the discussion, or the report) as I do not have local back up, but only time machine one on an external drive. The "local timeshots" were related to the Disk Drill, and were only an assomption from Grant Bennet-Alder as I don't use the feature. please read a bit more carefully before giving me advices 😊👍

Feb 6, 2024 2:12 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

Ahhhhhhh ok then I understand better. 😊 No don't worry, just you know which type of Mac user I am, I use to repair Macs for customers of an APR when I was a teenager. I'm on Mac since I'm 7 (back in 1997). So I'm quite familiar with the OS (not saying I cannot learn stuffs from time to time 😃). BTW I'll enable the TRIM then. I thought I read somewhere that with the latest version of macOS this was not needed :-)


But sadly this doesn't explain (at least entirely) my issue with the core saturation (also, I could find some others have the same issue ça et là on the internet).

Feb 6, 2024 2:50 PM in response to Egon-058

Egon-058 wrote:

Apparently you didn't read either... too bad. I cannot uninstall F-secure as it's my IT department who installed it and it's part of the required app in my university. But apparently there's need for me to repeat it 😉


Not correct. You wrote that your IT department installed it, but this is the first time you stated that you cannot uninstall it. Therefore that Mac is not yours to own and control.


Your concern has been rendered moot by that statement. That Mac will never work properly, unless it is returned to your control. Once it has been made so, then you may fix it. Follow the instructions you have been given.

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