Mail gets filtered to the junk mail folder even though I have disabled junk mail filtering in the preferences. How do we actually get it to stop? I have SpamSieve and do not want to have another entity filter my mail for me.
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MacBook Pro (M1, 2020)
n1mie wrote:
Mail gets filtered to the junk mail folder even though I have disabled junk mail filtering in the preferences. How do we actually get it to stop? I have SpamSieve and do not want to have another entity filter my mail for me.
This is probably because of a server junk filter. (iCloud has a server junk filter that cannot be turned off.) This section of the SpamSieve manual explains how you can tell which messages were filtered by SpamSieve vs. the server, how you can turn off a server filter, and how you can make SpamSieve reprocess the messages caught by the server filter if it can’t be turned off.
We recommend setting SpamSieve to use the Junk mailbox. Then you can use Mail’s built-in features to automatically delete old spam messages or to Erase Junk Mail with a single command.
n1mie wrote:
Mail gets filtered to the junk mail folder even though I have disabled junk mail filtering in the preferences. How do we actually get it to stop? I have SpamSieve and do not want to have another entity filter my mail for me.
This is probably because of a server junk filter. (iCloud has a server junk filter that cannot be turned off.) This section of the SpamSieve manual explains how you can tell which messages were filtered by SpamSieve vs. the server, how you can turn off a server filter, and how you can make SpamSieve reprocess the messages caught by the server filter if it can’t be turned off.
We recommend setting SpamSieve to use the Junk mailbox. Then you can use Mail’s built-in features to automatically delete old spam messages or to Erase Junk Mail with a single command.
User wrote " But the Apple filtering (appears to be server side) "
Apple does Not Filter on their email Servers
The best would be on an individual cases by using www.icloud.com >> Mail and for the user ( you ) to have setup specific Rules from within iCloud to Filter emails
Under that specific case, it is not Apple Filtering the email but the User who has done so.
Set up rules to filter email in Mail on iCloud.com
PRP_53 wrote:
Use wrote " This is probably because of a server junk filter. (iCloud has a server junk filter that cannot be turned off.) "
This is based upon what documentation from Apple
An assertion that can not be supported by facts presented by the e-mail Server, iCloud from Apple.
Is only an unsupported assertion
I have been developing SpamSieve for 22 years and supporting customers using iCloud mail since its inception. iCloud has always used server junk mail filtering (documented here, for example), and Apple removed the off switch for it around 2013.
Yes SpamSieve deletes what it sees. But the Apple filtering (appears to be server side) occurs before SpamSieve can do it's work (client side). So the filtering I have doesn't work. SpamSieve knows what's in my contact list and never flags that, the Apple junk mail filtering is horrible and training it is painful.
I have junk mail filtering turned off in the application. Mail keeps getting moved to the junk mail folder. I have no rules that move mail to the junk mail folder. SpamSieve does not use the junk mail folder, only Apple Mail does. Therefore one of two things are happening (as far as I can discern). Either the app refuses to obey the setting and continues to filter junk mail in spite of my request that it doesn’t, or Apple is server side filtering. You may deny it, but these are the only to reasonable possibilities. I have no other software or extensions or anything that would touch mail. So you tell me, is the app insane or is apple filtering on the server side.
I stand corrected 😩 on Apple Servers using " iCloud Mail uses trend analysis, dynamic lists, and other technology to automatically detect and block junk mail before it reaches your inbox. "
Though, in the Context of the Original Question " Mail gets filtered to the junk mail folder even though I have disabled junk mail filtering in the preferences. How do we actually get it to stop? "
I am not sure this would apply
PRP_53 wrote:
Though, in the Context of the Original Question " Mail gets filtered to the junk mail folder even though I have disabled junk mail filtering in the preferences. How do we actually get it to stop? "
I am not sure this would apply
To be clear, this setting in Mail is for Apple’s local (client-side) junk filter. If that’s already off, then it isn’t the source of the problem.
michaeltsai wrote:
PRP_53 wrote:
Though, in the Context of the Original Question " Mail gets filtered to the junk mail folder even though I have disabled junk mail filtering in the preferences. How do we actually get it to stop? "
I am not sure this would apply
To be clear, this setting in Mail is for Apple’s local (client-side) junk filter. If that’s already off, then it isn’t the source of the problem.
Respectfully.
As this is an Apple Designed Feature.
Being a Developer of a very useful application " SpamSieve "
One would know the appropriate channels at Apple to communicate with, regarding one's displease with this function
Doesn't SpanSieve delete the spam?
I have never found a 100% way of getting rid of it. Just keep deleting it twice on Mail. Once to the Junk folder and then in Trash. Microsoft's Outlook blocks it if you have it set up correctly. Hopefully Apple vcan provide thae same in the future.
User wrote " I have disabled junk mail filtering in the preferences."
Technically, preferences ceased to exist in macOS 13 Ventura .
This may have been an oversight though, as Preferences in Mail become " Setting "
And System Preferences became System Setting also in macOS 13 Ventura and above
Use wrote " This is probably because of a server junk filter. (iCloud has a server junk filter that cannot be turned off.) "
This is based upon what documentation from Apple
An assertion that can not be supported by facts presented by the e-mail Server, iCloud from Apple.
Is only an unsupported assertion
And I verified I have no rules set up on icloud.com. I don’t want them. I want the rules/filters to happen on the Mac.
User wrote “ I have no rules that move mail to the junk mail folder “
User wrote “ I want the rules/filters to happen on the Mac “
User wrote " no rules set up on icloud.com "
So, which is it ?
Why is my mail still getting filtered despite disabling junk mail filtering?
