Need Help Designing Photo Backup Solution

My Apple photo library is quite large, it currently takes up 775 GB of storage. I use iCloud photos to sync across all my devices, most notably my phone and MacBook Pro. I currently have my MacBook Pro set to download all originals, and then I do Time Machine backups of my MacBook, which would include my entire photo library. I have done manual, one-time backups in the past to external hard drives by copying my photo library from my MacBook directly to the external, and storing it off-site.


I am looking to free up some hard drive space on my MacBook because the 1TB is nearly full, and it seems that I need to stop downloading all originals to it, but this will mess with my entire backup plan. So I am looking for help in designing an updated backup plan that won't fill my laptop hdd.


  • I know I can go on iCloud.com and download my information. I have done this sporadically as another backup type, but it is too reliant on me doing it, I would like something that happens more regularly.
  • I have huge amounts of hard drive space on my Windows PC's, so I could use iCloud for Windows and download all photos there. While I don't love this, it is probably the best option I can think of. I tried it before, and due to lacking any sort of organization, I did not love it. I think there was another reason I stopped using it, but I cannot remember. Would prefer to avoid.
  • I could buy a Mac Mini and set it somewhere with a large external hard drive, and have it download originals to a library stored on the external, and then Time Machine them to another hard drive for backup. This would work, but is expensive, and I have to have another computer setup somewhere, and make sure it gets turned on regularly and Photos gets opened to download the latest photos.


Hoping someone out there has a great suggestion, because I do not think there are any other options for my situation! Thanks for any help!



MacBook Pro 13″, macOS 10.14

Posted on Jul 5, 2024 8:07 AM

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Posted on Jul 6, 2024 8:29 AM

Here's another way to think about it: On a Mac, you can have more than one Photos Library. I know that I do not want to see all of my pictures on my phone or iPad, even though I want to keep them. So I have divided my Library. I keep the archive of all my pictures on an external drive, and I keep only a smaller subset of favorite pictures in a separate "Favorites Library" on my Mac. The Favorites Library is designated as my System Library and is connected to iCloud, so my iPhone and iPad have the pictures that I like to look at and share with friends, but not the tons of similar or less interesting pictures.


New pictures that I take on my Nikon actually go into a separate Nikon Library. I crop, edit, rate, and annotate them there. Then I sort out the favorites and copy them to the Favorites Library.


I use Time Machine for daily incremental backups and, like you, I periodically copy all the Libraries in their entirety to another hard drive for a double backup.


Working on smaller Libraries is faster and, it seems, less prone to error. Many of us use  PowerPhotos ($30) to help manage multiple Libraries.


What do you think?

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Jul 6, 2024 8:29 AM in response to xtheguitarmanx

Here's another way to think about it: On a Mac, you can have more than one Photos Library. I know that I do not want to see all of my pictures on my phone or iPad, even though I want to keep them. So I have divided my Library. I keep the archive of all my pictures on an external drive, and I keep only a smaller subset of favorite pictures in a separate "Favorites Library" on my Mac. The Favorites Library is designated as my System Library and is connected to iCloud, so my iPhone and iPad have the pictures that I like to look at and share with friends, but not the tons of similar or less interesting pictures.


New pictures that I take on my Nikon actually go into a separate Nikon Library. I crop, edit, rate, and annotate them there. Then I sort out the favorites and copy them to the Favorites Library.


I use Time Machine for daily incremental backups and, like you, I periodically copy all the Libraries in their entirety to another hard drive for a double backup.


Working on smaller Libraries is faster and, it seems, less prone to error. Many of us use  PowerPhotos ($30) to help manage multiple Libraries.


What do you think?

Jul 7, 2024 5:41 AM in response to Richard.Taylor

Thank you, this sounds like a great solution! I have not heard of PowerPhotos, but I will be using that. That seems like an excellent tool.


It sounds like the most straight forward thing for me to do would be to use PowerPhotos to duplicate my current Library to an external drive. Then, open my default Library on my laptop and change the settings to Optimize Storage. This will free up significant space for me on my internal drive.


For the newly duplicated Library that I just created, I will need to connect the external drive and open the library every so often to let it sync and download my newest photos from iCloud.


If I make sure to do a Time Machine backup with the external drive connected, I can include both libraries in my backup set. I can also manually copy the full library on the external to a second external for a second (stored offsite) backup.


Am I understanding correctly? Does this seem like a reasonable plan? Am I missing anything? It involves a bit of manual intervention on my part, but minimal enough that I should be able to keep up with it. Thanks for the help.

Jul 8, 2024 8:19 AM in response to Richard.Taylor

That seems like a reasonable plan. For me, I reference old photos pretty often, so I would like to keep them all available on my devices as much as I can.


I only have one Mac, hence the problem. Also my Mac does not not have an upgradeable hard drive, else I would just clone mine and put in a larger one. I could buy a second Mac, throw an external on it, and have it download my entire Library, and that would also, expensively, solve my problem.


So my current conclusion is that the best thing for me to do is to move my System Library to an external SSD. It can then continue to Download full copies of all my photos from iCloud, and I can have my Time Machine backups include the external. The downside is that I would not have access to my Photos on my Mac unless I have the external with me, but I think I can deal with that. Once a month or so, I can manually copy/paste the entire Library to a second external drive for a second form of backup. Are there any major problems with this solution?

Jul 7, 2024 8:17 AM in response to xtheguitarmanx

xtheguitarmanx wrote: ... Am I understanding correctly? Does this seem like a reasonable plan? Am I missing anything?

I'm not quite sure. The System Library will always have exactly what is in iCloud Library. Only the System Library connects with iCloud. I sounds like you're thinking of swapping libraries back and forth with iCloud, and that's perilous. Your System Library should always be connected to the computer-- usually it's on the internal drive. (People with a desktop computer can have the Library on an external drive that is always connected.) The thing is, Photos constantly scans the System Library in the background, comparing libraries, looking for faces, judging the storage needs, or whatever the heck it does--but swapping libraries can mess that all up.


What I did was to copy my System Library which is connected to iCloud, and then remove the "non-favorites" from the that System Library. Then, after making a safe copy of the large Library, I divided the large library into libraries for more recent pictures, for work, for old family pictures, for pictures from a particular camera, and so on. Each started as a copy of the Large Library, and I deleted the pictures that didn't belong.


I'm still finding some old family pictures, for instance, so I scan them, import them to the "old family pictures" Library, decide which ones others might like to see, and copy those to the System Library on the internal drive. They are then automatically added to iCloud and to my iPhone and iPad. Pictures that I take with my phone automatically go to the "favorites" System Library, and I copy those to the "recent pictures" Library. So-- the System Library holds my favorites, and they are all duplicated in some other Library.


Time Machine can be set to include external drives when they are connected.


Anyway, this was my process. Most of those Libraries don't get accessed very often, so they provide an archival service, really. There are lots of other ways to go about it. But try to avoid swapping system libraries.


Jul 7, 2024 11:24 AM in response to xtheguitarmanx

PowerPhotos isn't for copying. You can just drag a Photos Library to an external drive.


Download Original vs Optimize Storage is only about iCloud. In Optimize, only small versions of the pictures are stored locally. If you want to zoom in to see more detail, then Photos will bring in a larger version to work with. But, with "Optimize," you can't back up the full images-- they're in iCloud. So that's why I have a smaller Library on my Mac with "Download" checked. This Library automatically gets all new pictures, so new pictures get backed up. The other Libraries have older pictures that don't change much, so daily backup is not needed.


I use iCloud and local Libraries for new and precious pictures.


I've lost track-- do you have two Macs? Each Mac can have it's own System Library which will sync with iCloud.

Jul 8, 2024 8:43 AM in response to xtheguitarmanx

Sounds good. My only concern is that connecting and disconnecting the external drive may cause problems-- I'm not really sure. If, when you become portable, you go to Photos and turn off iCloud, then unplug; then plug in the drive before reconnecting Photos to iCloud, I'm sure that's OK. If you don't do that, then every once in a while Photos may get confused--again, I'm not sure. But your pictures will always remain safe at iCloud Photos.


I keep my Library on my internal hard drive, and I put everything else (well, nearly everything...) on a tiny SSD that I cary with me. Here are two solid state drives

that I carry in my computer bag. One is 4TB, the other is 2TB. They weigh about an ounce each, and they cost about $70/TB. I have two because I am paranoid about drive failure, though it hasn't been a problem.


What do you think?

Jul 8, 2024 8:43 AM in response to xtheguitarmanx

To have two separate libraries iCloud consider to use two different user accounts with different AppleIDs.

  • One user account could sync your current main library to iCloud Photos and your iPad and iPhone and keep the library local on your Mac.
  • One user account with a different AppleID could sync a larger archive library (residing on an external drive) to iCloud Photos, but not to your iPhone.

Use family sharing to share your iCloud Storage between the two AppleIDs.


Jul 10, 2024 6:27 AM in response to Richard.Taylor

Are you saying that I need to go into Photos and Turn off iCloud manually, and then close Photos and disconnect the External Drive? And then when I re-connect the drive and open Photos, enable iCloud again?


Does iCloud for Photos work in the background? If I close Photos, and never open the application with the drive disconnected, would this create problems? Or is the problem human error, I am likely to mess up and open Photos without the drive connected, which would cause issues?


I just picked up a similar SSD, 2TB, last week, and plan to use those similarly, but I don't want to always have them connected. I share your fear of drive failure, as I had to pay for a drive recovery a few years ago when a drive failed and my backup was incomplete. I will continue doing periodic backups to a platter based external drive as well.

Jul 10, 2024 7:42 AM in response to xtheguitarmanx

Yes, my concern was for Photos being in the midst of some background operation when the disk is disconnected. Since, when the Library is not connected to the System Library it can't do the background stuff, anyway, being unhooked from iCloud won't slow anything extra.


I also have a mechanical drive, older & 3 TB, with Time Machine on my desk. Backups don't need to be blazingly fast. 2 mechanical backup drives can be cheaper than one SSD. But for using (rather than backing up) Photos Libraries and other data, SSDs are way faster.

Jul 7, 2024 9:45 AM in response to Richard.Taylor

Thank you for clarifying! Yes, I think I was mistaken. I was thinking I could have two separate libraries connected to iCloud. They would both contain the same exact photos, but one would be set to Download All Originals, and the other would be set to Optimize Storage.


I will have to give this some more thought, because I do not have an ideal way to split my library easily, so I was hoping to keep everything together, but just not download all originals to some. Maybe I need to use PowerPhotos to copy my System Library to an External, and then set my System Library to Optimize Storage, freeing up hard drive space. Then I will use PowerPhotos to update my External Library manually, which will keep it in sync with my main System Library, and the External Library will have the entire Library stored locally. Then only one Library is syncing to iCloud, and I become a human form of iCloud to sync the External.


Does that seem like a better plan, that doesn't swap system libraries?


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Jul 10, 2024 7:42 AM in response to xtheguitarmanx

Thanks for the thought, not a bad idea, but I am hoping to keep my entire photo library available on my devices, despite its size. I think this should be achievable somehow,


There's an alternative to Photos called Mylio which allows you to set the size of the images shared to specific devices - so small versions for phones, large for iPads and so on. It Laos does a cloud back up but it's sharing doesn't actually need the cloud at all. It does pretty much everything else Photos does and then some. Worth considering:


https://mylio.com/

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