moving photos to external hard drive and keeping original information

I am trying to move photos from a Mac to a Seagate external hard drive. I have done this many times before and it has always worked fine. Now, when I try to copy photos over, the original file information (date created, time, etc.) is gone, and it's instead using today's date. However, it is not doing this for ALL photos...photos taken after June 27, 2024 are copying will all the correct information, photos before are getting today's date. Every photo was taken with the same camera, same SD card, transferred the same way. I cannot figure out what is happening or how to fix it. This is important information to keep accurate for my uses, so it really needs to transfer with all the data. Please help!

MacBook Pro 13″, macOS 11.7

Posted on Jul 10, 2024 10:47 PM

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Posted on Jul 23, 2024 1:56 AM

Couple of things:


  1. Drag and drop does not get your images. It gets a preview of them - a sort of handy mid quality/mid size version, and metadata can be patchy. If you want to get best quality copies of your images use the file -> Export command.
  2. The format is important because each format handles different metadata in different ways. It should be either formatted Mac OS X Extended, Journaled or apfs.


There are two kinds of metadata involved when you consider jpeg or other image file.


 One is the file data. This is what the Finder shows. This tells you nothing about the contents of the file, just the File itself. The problem with File metadata is that it can easily change as the file is moved from place to place or exported, e-mailed, uploaded etc.


Photographs have also got both Exif and IPTC metadata. The date and time that your camera snapped the Photograph is recorded in the Exif metadata. Regardless of what the file date says, this is the actual time recorded by the camera. Photo applications like Photos, Lightroom, Photoshop etc get their date and time from the Exif metadata not the file date.


When you export from Photos (whether by drag and drop or File ->Export) to the Finder new file is created containing your Photo (and its Exif). The File date is - quite accurately - reported as the date of Export. However, the Photo Date doesn't change. The problem is that the Finder doesn't work with Exif.


So, your photo has the correct date, and so does the file, but they are different things. You can edit the file creation date to match the Exif using a variety of apps, among them


https://www.publicspace.net/ABetterFinderAttributes/

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Jul 23, 2024 1:56 AM in response to rachelrodell

Couple of things:


  1. Drag and drop does not get your images. It gets a preview of them - a sort of handy mid quality/mid size version, and metadata can be patchy. If you want to get best quality copies of your images use the file -> Export command.
  2. The format is important because each format handles different metadata in different ways. It should be either formatted Mac OS X Extended, Journaled or apfs.


There are two kinds of metadata involved when you consider jpeg or other image file.


 One is the file data. This is what the Finder shows. This tells you nothing about the contents of the file, just the File itself. The problem with File metadata is that it can easily change as the file is moved from place to place or exported, e-mailed, uploaded etc.


Photographs have also got both Exif and IPTC metadata. The date and time that your camera snapped the Photograph is recorded in the Exif metadata. Regardless of what the file date says, this is the actual time recorded by the camera. Photo applications like Photos, Lightroom, Photoshop etc get their date and time from the Exif metadata not the file date.


When you export from Photos (whether by drag and drop or File ->Export) to the Finder new file is created containing your Photo (and its Exif). The File date is - quite accurately - reported as the date of Export. However, the Photo Date doesn't change. The problem is that the Finder doesn't work with Exif.


So, your photo has the correct date, and so does the file, but they are different things. You can edit the file creation date to match the Exif using a variety of apps, among them


https://www.publicspace.net/ABetterFinderAttributes/

Jul 11, 2024 1:11 AM in response to rachelrodell

I am trying to move photos from a Mac to a Seagate external hard drive. [...] the original file information (date created, time, etc.) is gone, and it's instead using today's date

Are you moving photos or the photos library? What format is the external drive (APFS, MacOS Extended or maybe exFAT that is not supported by the Photos.app)? Please describe the workflow in more detail.


What dates -- the file dates that Finder readily displays or the internal metadata dates that need somewhat more digging? File dates often change when moving files around but the more important internal metadata dates are preserved (unless some social media site like Facebook, WhatsApp etc has deleted them).

Jul 11, 2024 7:30 AM in response to rachelrodell

In addition to Matti Haveri's questions,


What do you mean by "move photos from a Mac to a Seagate external hard drive?" (Well, Matti asked this, too.) But do you mean that you are in Photos and you use File>Export, or do you mean that you drag and drop? or what? And...


  • What OS are you using? You say 11.7 Big Sur in your signature, is that right?
  • Do you synchronize an iPhone with iCloud Photos?
  •    if so, do you have “Optimize Storage” checked in Photos’ Settings
  • What models are your devices?
  • Where does your Photos Library reside-- in the Pictures folder of your internal drive, or on an external drive? or on a network? on iCloud drive?



Jul 22, 2024 10:39 PM in response to Richard.Taylor

  • I've tried multiple methods for copying them over to the external hard drive. In the past the "drag and drop" has worked just fine. I just now tried the "copy and paste", and it instead listed the date the photos were put on the computer as the "date created" (instead of today's date as the drag and drop is doing) but still not the date the photo was taken. The "export" method produced today's date in the "date created" column.
  • yes, 11.7 Big Sur
  • I do sync an iPhone with iCloud, but these are all from a mirrorless camera (Canon r7)
  • yes, "Optimize Storage" is checked
  • MacBook Pro (Retina, 13-inch, Mid 2014)
  • Photos Library I believe is both on my mac and the cloud? Under "storage" most of my computer hard drive is taken up by photos

Jul 22, 2024 10:44 PM in response to Matti Haveri

I am moving individual photos from my photos library over to folders in the external hard drive. In the past, a simple "drag and drop" into the folders directly from the photos app has worked perfectly. It is the exact same hard drive I have always used so I know it's formatted correctly. However now, when I drag photos over, the "date modified", "date created" etc all list today's date instead of the actual date the picture was taken. When I right click and select "info", it is also showing today's date. My photos library on my computer is showing all the correct information for the photos' metadata, it only gets messed up when trying to copy it...but not always (as mentioned in the original post). Can't figure it out.

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