I don't understand how Time Machine Works

I understand that it basically backs up the contents/applications/settings of your computer at the time so that you can just reset your computer to the exact backup but, where I get confused is where it says, "Oldest backups and snapshots are deleted as space is needed."


Does that just mean Time Machine is deciding to delete old files, regardless of whether the file exists anywhere else?


I've had multiple computers with Time Machine Backups and, I put them on the same external HD. There were been times when I've had to do full resets on my computer but, I didn't need to or could not do a full Time machine restore. I always looked at this time machine back-up like it was also backing up individual files and, If I need them, I can just plug in my external HD and find them.


Before I felt like I could trust Time Machine, I physically moved files to the external HD. If I search a file saved that way, I can find easily but, Time Machine Backup, it does not appear in the search.


I about lost my mind, thinking I lost some client work from some years back because they want updates made to a design from a computer I no longer have and, I couldn't find it using the search function. I had to go digging through individual folders on multiple iterations of old Time Machine backups to find the final version that we agreed on so many years ago.


Just when I was so relieved enough to finally find it, Time Machine had the nerve to claim I'm not authorized to open my own files (or it is open somewhere else)?!


I'm not going to restore an entire Time Machine Backup from a different computer and operating system from 7 years ago, just to get to this one file. That's insane.


Fortunately, I managed to find a zip packaged indesign file and download it to use... I would like to do a new time machine backup (It's been a few months) but, when I tried, it was up to over 20,000 changes and; it got me worried that it will be deleting things that could be important, which defeats the purpose...

MacBook Air 13″, macOS 14.6

Posted on Sep 13, 2024 10:24 AM

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Posted on Sep 13, 2024 11:02 AM

Time Machine is not an archive. It is a backup for your most recent files. Where most recent is a function of how much space you have on the Time Machine drive.


If you delete a file, a copy will be on the Time Machine backup drive for a period of time (but not forever). But if you deleted it last year, unless you have a very large backup drive, that file will have been deleted as Time Machine recovers space for new backups.


If you are thinking you can run Time Machine, and then delete all your pictures and documents, and depend on finding them in Time Machine, then you are mistaken, and will loose that data. Or you have invested a huge amount of money in a very VERY large backup device.


Time Machine is better than a lot of backup utilities. Many backup utilities wipe out the previous backup each time they run. At least Time Machine can go back for days, weeks, and a few months. If you have enough backup storage you can go back even a year (or more, as it just depends on how much money you spend, electricity to pay for, and room taken up in your house).


If you need an archive, then get dedicated storage just for the archive. And if you do not want to loose data on the archive device, then you should have a backup running for that device.


Any data that is stored in just 1 place is data that is at risk. The ideal backup approach is 3-2-1. 3 copies of the data (the original being the first). 2 backups using different backup utilities so flaws in one utility do not affect the other. 1 copy is stored in another location (network backups are commonly used for this, but some people regularly take a copy to a distant family member's house, or a safe deposit box, or use a network backup to the cloud).


Look at it another way. You are shoving copies of your data in a closet. Eventually the closet is going to be full. You either take out some old stuff to put new in, our you take over a larger room. But eventually, you will need more than an extra room, and have to build an addition on your house. But when that fills up, you have to buy your neighbor's house to use for storage, etc... Time Machine cannot change rooms, or build additions, or buy your neighbor's house. Time Machine has to make room in the closet it has by throwing out the old stuff to make room for the new stuff.

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Sep 13, 2024 11:02 AM in response to PamelaHaley

Time Machine is not an archive. It is a backup for your most recent files. Where most recent is a function of how much space you have on the Time Machine drive.


If you delete a file, a copy will be on the Time Machine backup drive for a period of time (but not forever). But if you deleted it last year, unless you have a very large backup drive, that file will have been deleted as Time Machine recovers space for new backups.


If you are thinking you can run Time Machine, and then delete all your pictures and documents, and depend on finding them in Time Machine, then you are mistaken, and will loose that data. Or you have invested a huge amount of money in a very VERY large backup device.


Time Machine is better than a lot of backup utilities. Many backup utilities wipe out the previous backup each time they run. At least Time Machine can go back for days, weeks, and a few months. If you have enough backup storage you can go back even a year (or more, as it just depends on how much money you spend, electricity to pay for, and room taken up in your house).


If you need an archive, then get dedicated storage just for the archive. And if you do not want to loose data on the archive device, then you should have a backup running for that device.


Any data that is stored in just 1 place is data that is at risk. The ideal backup approach is 3-2-1. 3 copies of the data (the original being the first). 2 backups using different backup utilities so flaws in one utility do not affect the other. 1 copy is stored in another location (network backups are commonly used for this, but some people regularly take a copy to a distant family member's house, or a safe deposit box, or use a network backup to the cloud).


Look at it another way. You are shoving copies of your data in a closet. Eventually the closet is going to be full. You either take out some old stuff to put new in, our you take over a larger room. But eventually, you will need more than an extra room, and have to build an addition on your house. But when that fills up, you have to buy your neighbor's house to use for storage, etc... Time Machine cannot change rooms, or build additions, or buy your neighbor's house. Time Machine has to make room in the closet it has by throwing out the old stuff to make room for the new stuff.

Sep 13, 2024 11:02 AM in response to PamelaHaley

I'm not going to restore an entire Time Machine Backup from a different computer and operating system from 7 years ago, just to get to this one file. That's insane.


Correct. You don't have to do that.


In addition to BobHarris's comprehensive advice, if you need to restore any particular backed up item ("item" meaning a file, folder, app, etc) follow these instructions: Restore items backed up with Time Machine on Mac - Apple Support. That's the only way to do it.


It cannot be overemphasized: Time Machine is a backup system. It is not an archival system. It guarantees, at an absolute minimum, one and only one complete restorable system backup of everything on the Macs (plural) it backs up. Anything more than that is "nice to have" but not guaranteed.

Sep 17, 2024 1:17 PM in response to PamelaHaley

I think, what I really needed to learn from this is:
If I have a file that is backed up on the Time Machine and, I delete it from my computer's hard drive, is Time Machine going to eventually delete that file or keep a copy?

Yes, that is true. Time Machine has never been an archival backup solution.

The Time Machine Browse Search only looks at the files backed up on this device in the past 3 months, because those are as far back as the backups go. I have been using this device and iteration of Time Machine for almost 3 years.

How do you have multiple backup sets on the same drive? That was possible in the past, but is no longer possible, now unless you create multiple volumes.


Either way, you would need to browse the particular backup set in Time Machine in order to search it in Time Machine. You can choose other backup sets by holding down the Option key when you select the Time Machine Status Menu Item.

Sep 17, 2024 3:58 PM in response to PamelaHaley

I think, what I really needed to learn from this is:

If I have a file that is backed up on the Time Machine and, I delete it from my computer's hard drive, is Time Machine going to eventually delete that file or keep a copy


Time Machine will eventually delete that file when it needs space for new backups. The file will remain in Time Machine backups until that time. Time Machine deletes the oldest files first when it is trying to create more room for a new backup.



But.....there are reasons why you would not want to always trust Time Machine to do this. One of them is a situation where the backup disk is basically full and you then add a lot of new data to your Mac....an operating system update, a lot of new photos or videos, etc.


In that case, you will find that Time Machine will not be able to automatically delete enough files to make room for the new backup. And, you don't want to try deleting files from a Time Machine backup manually. That can wreck the whole backup rendering it useless.


Time Machine works reasonably well if the backup disk is close to full and Time Machine is only handling small "incremental" backups. The problems come when the disk is close to full and the next backup is much larger than normal.









Sep 13, 2024 11:08 AM in response to PamelaHaley

Before I felt like I could trust Time Machine, I physically moved files to the external HD. If I search a file saved that way, I can find easily but, Time Machine Backup, it does not appear in the search.


Time Machine will automatically back up everything on your Mac.....(unless you manually exclude files) But, it will not include or backup the data on an external drive connected to your Mac unless you manually enable that option in Time Machine settings.


No matter whether you trust Time Machine or not, you would always want to have multiple backups of your Mac and attached hard drives. For example, I back up everything using Time Machine to one drive and Carbon Copy Cloner automatically backs up everything as well to another drive.


Some users even keep offsite backups in the event of a fire or flood.



Sep 17, 2024 7:37 AM in response to PamelaHaley

Dear Apple Inc., Be less annoyingly proprietary. Your Tech was advanced enough to be worthwhile, back when Steve Jobs was alive. I haven't had an iPhone since the 4 and don't have much reason to stick with Apple computers, since I could buy a banger PC for the same price.

It's not proprietary. It's easy. Buy Drive, Plug It in, Turn it on. Leave it alone.

For people who must manage everything, it's not the best solution. There are other third-party backup programs you can manage to your heart's content.

It would be nice if I could find files in Time Machine using the Finder Search Bar

You can. Just Browse Time Machine Backups and use the Search Bar the same way you would do in Finder.

Sep 13, 2024 2:31 PM in response to PamelaHaley

I was not totally clear in my first post. Time Machine does backup everything, and keeps at least 1 current copy of every file (generally it has more than 1 current copy, but at least 1 of every file is on the Time Machine backup).


My work Mac is backed up via Time Machine to 1 external drive. It is backed up via SuperDuper to a 2nd external drive.


There is next to nothing personal on my work Mac, and most of my work related files are on company hosted development systems. The backups make it easy to restore my work Mac if something happens to it, or when it is replaced once every 4 years.


My personal Mac is backed via Carbon Copy Cloner to a Synology NAS. That Synology NAS is backed up to yet another Synology NAS located in a diagonally opposite side of the house 2 floors away, so that if something happens to the house, hopefully one of the Synology NAS devices will survive. I do not have sufficient home network bandwidth to do a network backup, no family members leave nearby, and I'm not going to play disk swap with a safety deposit box.

Sep 17, 2024 7:15 AM in response to BobHarris

Thanks for the clarification. I completely understand the security measures of having multiple drives. Its just that sometimes I get lazy and don't want to travel across the house for one drive.


I wasn't sure if Time Machine was saving actual files or how it decided to delete files. I do have multiple drives that are not using Time Machine as I have had external drives fail in the past and use products that are not always Apple. I have a Macbook Air now and, being SSD, I don't want to save much to the machine either.


I forgot to do a Time Machine Backup before my latest OS Update to 14.6.1 Sonoma I don't update my physical machines as often and may run into the issue where some Time Machine backups from previous machines, running older OS could be useless.


My last Mac Book Pro was supposedly compatible up to 10.15 Catalina (last attempt) but, every single OS released after 10.1 Yosemite would turn it into a brick and I had no choice but to replace it.


I just want to be sure Time Machine is always leaving me with at least one working version. It would be nice if I could find files in Time Machine using the Finder Search Bar because having to dig gets tedious. Just when I thought I was saving everything I need to multiple drives, it turned out things that were only on Time Machine, don't necessarily have multiple backups, which I will have to take the time to rectify.


Dear Apple Inc., Be less annoyingly proprietary. Your Tech was advanced enough to be worthwhile, back when Steve Jobs was alive. I haven't had an iPhone since the 4 and don't have much reason to stick with Apple computers, since I could buy a banger PC for the same price.



Sep 17, 2024 9:36 AM in response to Barney-15E

To clarify, in this case, the files I needed were on an iteration of a Time Machine Backup from a different Apple Laptop, with a previous OS. While the backups are all on the same physical external drive; neither the Finder Search nor Time Machine Browse Search was not able to turn up those files and had me worried that they were gone, until I combed through the Time Machine Backup files myself.


The Time Machine Browse Search only looks at the files backed up on this device in the past 3 months, because those are as far back as the backups go. I have been using this device and iteration of Time Machine for almost 3 years.


I think, what I really needed to learn from this is:

If I have a file that is backed up on the Time Machine and, I delete it from my computer's hard drive, is Time Machine going to eventually delete that file or keep a copy?


Edit: I had nearly filled the Hard Drive and, rather than letting Time Machine delete files to make space, I manually cleared up a bunch of duplicate files that were saved independently of the Time Machine on the same External HD, creating 97GB of Available Space. After my most recent Time Machine Backup, I now have over 209GB Available with 1GB "Purgable" ... I don't know where it found the extra 102GB


Sep 17, 2024 2:11 PM in response to PamelaHaley

Dear Apple Inc., ...


You realize you're not addressing Apple on this site, right?


If I understand you correctly you're asking Apple to be "less proprietary" — in other words, less of what made them the most successful company on the planet, right?


Apple already tried that idea, before Steve Jobs returned to the company he founded. A previous CEO advocated "open" Macs that were less annoyingly proprietary... just as you are now advocating. The result brought the company to within about 90 days of bankruptcy.


And if you want to buy a banger PC, you know you'd be better off sending it directly to a landfill, right? Rather than doing that, why not just take the fistful of cash a cheap disposable PC costs and burn it. Fewer steps that way. But if wasted time and effort is what you're seeking, direct your comments and suggestions to Apple, here: Contact Apple. They don't use this site for that purpose.

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