macOS Sequoia 15.0 - Is it "Safe"/"Worth" updating from Sonoma 14.7 on Macbook Pro 13" M1 2020?

about missing out:

FINALLY macOS Photos can do "Share iCloud link" like iPhones do for years!

change version in the site to 14 and you won't see the link word. only introduced in Sequoia!

I usually wait 6 months for developers to catch up

Why 6? Why not 5? Why not 7? Why not 11? What developers? Why are you working with apps where the developers are six months behind the OS?

The updates to MacOS are rarely worth updating to..

Then why update at all?

Great to hear you haven't had any issues with your apps after upgrading. Aside from updates that are focused around architecture transitons (e.g. Mojave > Catalina, Intel > Apple Silicone), that's usually how it goes for most people, especially with the everyday GUI apps we all use. These apps rely on higher-level macOS APIs that Apple mostly keeps stable and backward-compatible. Since they're sandboxed, they don't mess directly with the core system or depend on system-level stuff, so they're less likely to break during upgrades.

But when it comes to command-line tools like Homebrew or Xcode's CLI utilities, they dig much deeper into the operating system. System Integrity Protection limits what parts of the system these tools can change, and any tweaks Apple makes can throw off tools that need access to specific system directories. With frequent updates to compilers and SDKs, CLI tools have to constantly adapt. If they're using outdated compilers or frameworks that have been deprecated, they'll break until they're updated. These tools also handle dependencies that often need rebuilding or recompiling for the new macOS version.

This means developers and users who rely on CLI tools face ongoing challenges with each macOS release. While most folks won't need to think about this, it's a common concern for anyone depending on a CLI environment whenever a new version comes out.

It's not worth the risk

What risk? I installed the beta on two Max and had no problems with it. I don’t install crapware on my Macs, so I suppose if you must install crapware, there is some risk.

i’m not sure what UI Bugs you’re talking about in music. I don’t spend much time with it. I turn it on and hit play and that’s about it so not sure I’d find any UI Bugs if any existed.

raymondjiii wrote:

crapware? I work entirely in data-science. Yes, if you "just hit play" you're never going to see any UI bugs, and maybe that's what Apple thinks the rest of us will do.

What does “data science“ have to do with a music player?

Have you sent Apple feedback on all of these mysterious UI bugs you found that are not readily apparent?

Please don't mix your nonsense up. Crapware and the Music app are 2 different things. Data science in that I install a lot of modeling, python, R, tensor based software - it's not crapware but it DOES require the kernel to be stable. Why would I tell Apple about these Music bugs are that naive that you think they would actually fix them? What did P.T. Barnum used to say.

raymondjiii wrote:

Please don't mix your nonsense up. Crapware and the Music app are 2 different things. Data science in that I install a lot of modeling, python, R, tensor based software - it's not crapware but it DOES require the kernel to be stable. Why would I tell Apple about these Music bugs are that naive that you think they would actually fix them? What did P.T. Barnum used to say.

I install Python, R, R Studio, Autodesk Fusion. Never had a problem with any of them. It is obvious some developers know how to write software that doesn’t try to sneak around in the undocumented bowels of the OS, not caring if their customers are inconvenienced by their software crashing when the OS changes. Use the former, avoid the latter, and there is no risk.

You are the only one conflating the two. I just wondered how you found tons of “UI bugs” when I didn’t notice even one. Sure, I have a very small sample, but surely if there were tons the probability of all of them not appearing during my time using them would be low. As tonnage refers to weight, I’m not sure I know how many “UI bugs” make up either a long or short ton. It is therefore difficult to devise the proper test statistic to use to determine the expected number of bugs I should have observed during my time using the Music app.

Sigh...try this...even you should be able to handle this one. Open an album (if you actually have any) where the listed tracks exceeds the open page - that is, you have to use the scroll bar to see all of the tracks on album. Let's say this artist put out a live album and you found (via the artist's website or wherever) that each song was recorded on a different date in a different venue. You now have the list of dates and locations and you want to edit each song with the date and location information. Right click on the first song and make your edits to the song track (put date and location at the end) or for simplicity sake - just put an "X" at the end of the track name; you can always undo it. After you edit the first song use the nice little arrow in the same dialog box to go to the next song, make your edit and keep going for each song. What happens when you get to the end? The screen is screwed up. You have to back out go to some other view and search for the album again. Now someone as bright as you would say, well I would never need to edit such a thing! But, alas, nobody cares what you think, the point is that this is what is known as a software defect and poor quality. That is, this is not how it is supposed to work. I spend a lot of time in the app, I have over 12k physical albums, published, mastered and re-mastered from various countries. I have a lot invested in my music collection. As such, I spend a lot of time in the app. I am not a simpleton with a lack of music taste that "just hits play". There are a number of Search related bugs, albums that import fine one day and then days later they magically split into two different albums - same name, same artist (this is a very well known bug, been there since day 1, there's a work-around for it but did Apple fix it? Apparently not.) How about this one, you want to update the correct or maybe just a better version of the artwork. This is a very common problem, when you import a disc Apple gives you the worst possible artwork - sometimes it is not even by the correct band. Your artwork library has 20k plus files of various resolutions, you go to change to artwork, open up your art work directory and what happens?...You'll be opening Activity Monitor and force quitting a few processes to get the Music app working again. There is a very large list. Just because "you didn't see it" doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Brightness is not something in your list of characteristics.

Sneak around in the undocumented bowels of the OS ? I mean come on now, some python packages are compiled with C but I mean come-on how do public open-source python packages "go to the bowels of the OS" - they don't! I have 16 cores on this box and I want every single one of them chugging away at my model - I think that's a pretty simple thing to ask for. Even a simpleton would have to agree.

Sneak around in the undocumented bowels of the OS ? I mean come on now, some python packages are compiled with C but I mean come-on how do public open-source python packages "go to the bowels of the OS" - they don't! I have 16 cores on this box and I want every single one of them chugging away at my model - I think that's a pretty simple thing to ask for. Even a simpleton would have to agree.

Your reading comprehension seems a tad low. I listed Python as functioning without issue. Are you having issues with it? I don’t use any of the ‘condas and I install it using precompiled binaries (never homebrew).

I upgraded and all my widgets and vpn products continued to work as normal. Perhaps you need to do some local troubleshooting.

But when it comes to command-line tools like Homebrew

I thought I mentioned that:

If you don’t install crapware…