How can I utilize a spare Exos 7E8 8TB External HDD to improve late-2015 iMAC performance?

I have a very slow late-2015 iMac 27". I realize now that apple no longer supports operating system updates past Monterey. I'm not a heavy user and only run the basic apps...just trying to nurse this old computer along. I would like to know how to best utilize the components below. Also attached an EtreCheck Report.



I've order the following Ram upgrades and expect them today.

Timetec 32GB KIT(4x8GB) Compatible for Apple Late 2015 iMac (27-inch w/Retina 5K Display) DDR3L 1867MHz / 1866MHz PC3L-14900 2Rx8 CL13 1.35V 204 Pin SODIMM Memory Module MAC RAM Upgrade for iMac 17,1https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06Y5LVVQY?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title&th=1


I have a few extra Seagate ExosHDD 8TB 3.5 SATA Seagate 7E8 8T HDD


To run them I also purchased a external HDD docking station

SABRENT USB 3.0 to SATA External Hard Drive Lay Flat Docking Station with Built in Cooling Fan for 2.5 or 3.5in HDD, SSD [Support UASP and 22TB] (EC-DFFN)https://www.amazon.com/dp/B013WODZH0?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title&th=1


I've read that I can open up the computer and start upgrading components such as processor, however I'm not sure I'm up for that level of complexity or expense.

Thanks for any advise!

Posted on Sep 28, 2024 1:26 PM

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Sep 28, 2024 2:06 PM in response to jrturner514

The report that you posted does not indicate that lack of RAM is a problem.


Virtual Memory Information:

Physical RAM: 8 GB


Free RAM: 475 MB

Used RAM: 5.05 GB

Cached files: 2.48 GB


Available RAM: 2.95 GB

Swap Used: 0 B


At the time of the report, your Mac had 475 MB of completely free RAM, and another 2.95 GB of RAM that it could have freed up on a moment's notice by dumping cached files. (Storing cached files in "unused" RAM can help to speed up things, if programs want the contents of those files again, before they want the RAM.)


The report does indicate that your Mac has a 1 TB Fusion Drive with a miserly 24 GB SSD. Apple originally included 128 GB of SSD space with all Fusion Drives, including 1 TB ones. Later they got stingy and only offered 24 – 32 GB of SSD space with the 1 TB ones. That is prime real estate – but there is not nearly enough of it.


You may want to get an external SSD for your Mac and boot off it. Your Mac does not have Thunderbolt 3 or USB4 ports, but even a decent USB-A (USB 3.0) / SATA SSD is likely to beat the performance of your Fusion Drive, as it would be able to deliver high performance consistently, not just for a minuscule fraction of the data on the drive. It would also be possible to connect a USB-C (USB 3.1 Gen 2) / NVMe SSD with the aid of an adapter.

Sep 28, 2024 2:24 PM in response to jrturner514

jrturner514 wrote:

How much faster is the spare HDD over the one currently in the Mac?


I don't know. It might not be any faster. On top of that, it won't even get the tiny little bit of assistance that the internal Fusion Drive is getting from its 24 GB SSD.


I saw a lot of post about people using SDD for external drive application. Is the HDD the weakest link in my plan...just because it was free doesn't mean its the best use for it.


It is definitely a weak link in the plan, if you plan to use it as an external startup drive. When a computer does lots of jumping around from one place to another on the drive, a mechanical HDD has to drag read/write heads around using a motor, and wait for platters to spin data into place underneath the heads. This happens much faster than on a floppy disk – but it still takes time.


A SSD stores data by electronic means, and its random-access times are much, much lower than those of a HDD. So a SSD will slaughter a HDD for applications like starting up a computer (from power off) or launching programs. For data storage, the practical advantage is often not as great – and there, people might go with HDDs because of factors like larger capacity, lower cost per GB, or better ability to retain data for long periods (years) with no power.


You can get a 1 TB external SSD for about $100 USD, plus or minus. Maybe less if you're talking about a USB 3.0 / SATA one.


Do you recommend any good step by step tutorials/resources to guide me through what I'm trying to accomplish with what I have on hand? Specifically order of operation, ie ram before, switching to HDD for macOS. I'm good at following directions but wouldn't want to go about this with out all the sequential steps...particularly concerned with lost data or somehow locking myself out of access.


You don't need to erase your internal drive at all. Just get an external drive, "clone" your current startup drive to it, select the external drive as your startup drive, and reboot. Eject the internal drive (if you like) after rebooting - so that you don't accidentally use it.

Sep 28, 2024 1:43 PM in response to jrturner514

Adding more RAM will help, though not if the hard drive is failing as indicated as a possibility in your other thread. If it is failing, then installing macOS on the exernal hard drive and running from there, along with the RAM upgrade, will give your iMac a bit more life. The added speed of the Seagate drives may be insuffient to compensate for the perfomance of the Fusion drive currently in your Mac so you may not see performance increase there. Any working drive will be better than a failing one, of course.


At nine years since your iMac was first released, whether it make sense to spend money on it is something you need to consider. I have the same model of iMac that you do and while it's been serving me well, I wouldn't spend any money on it after all these years. It's certainly not worth the hassle and expense to try and upgrade the processor, if that is even possible.


Regards.

Sep 30, 2024 9:24 AM in response to jrturner514

The Exos hard drive is one of the faster hard drives out there so it may be sufficient depending on your needs (I forget how fast it was when I tested one --not under real world conditions -- maybe 200MB/s?), but it still falls short of even a good SATA III SSD (there are a lot of junk SSDs out there even from respected name brands).


Memory usually won't help much for performance. Like @varjak paw points out, you can easily determine if memory is the bottleneck by monitoring memory in the Activity Monitor app after using the computer on your most memory intensive workloads and even after a week of the computer running 24/7.


Macs are also very picky about the memory they use, so most higher level forum contributors will only recommend using memory from Crucial or OWC (the memory must be specified as being Mac compatible for a specific Mac....never buy memory based only on technical specs since the commonly published information is usually insufficient for true compatibility).


More than likely you have a failing internal hard drive. Again, that is very easy to confirm by using DriveDx (free trial period) to check its health. Any "Warning" or "Failing" conditions mean the hard drive is worn out or failing respectively....either condition means the hard drive should be replaced. Unfortunately determining the health of an SSD is not quite so easy.....health monitoring apps can only alert you to manually check & interpret the health information since not all "warning" or "failing" conditions are bad for an SSD.

Oct 2, 2024 9:09 PM in response to jrturner514

FYI, you are missing the Hard Drive report, but I saw it on your other linked thread. Both drives' health reports look Ok, nothing stands out in them. However, on rare occasions a hard drive may have issues even when the health attributes look good. Part of that reason is due to some of the health attributes having behavior we don't know how to interpret until they actually trigger a SMART failure status on the drive.


I would suggest running First Aid on the Fusion Drive item, then on the hidden APFS Container within the Fusion Drive. Even if the First Aid summary says everything is "Ok", click "Show Details" and scroll back through the report to see if any unfixed errors are listed. If so, run First Aid again until the errors are gone. If after several attempts the errors remain, then you will need to run First Aid while booted into Recovery Mode. If the errors remain after several attempts, then you will need to start over with a clean install which means erasing the Fusion Drive followed by reinstalling macOS & restoring from a backup. Personally I would go one step further and erase both the physical SSD & Hard Drive, then recreate the Fusion Drive followed by reinstalling macOS & restoring from backup.


Sep 28, 2024 2:08 PM in response to jrturner514

As I mentioned, your external hard drive may well not be any faster than the Fusion drive in your Mac, which combines an SSD with a "spinning" hard drive to get better performance at what was at the time a significantly lower cost than having all-solid-state storage. Without objective measurement I can't say with certainty, but if your internal Fusion drive was working perfectly, I'd be a bit surprised if you saw any significant irmprovement going to that external. Of course, as I said, anything would be faster than a afiling drive.


I'd suggest first you continue to work in the other thread to determine where the performance problems do indeed lie. Then we can point you to the next step in the process.


Regards.

Sep 28, 2024 2:01 PM in response to varjak paw

Thank you for your comments. It has been a great machine for general family household needs. Yes I agree the time may or perhaps has come to replace. However between the new Ram cards and HDD dock I only have $50 invested(HDD was free to me). How much faster is the spare HDD over the one currently in the Mac? I saw a lot of post about people using SDD for external drive application. Is the HDD the weakest link in my plan...just because it was free doesn't mean its the best use for it.


As I posted on the other thread..I really do not know what I'm doing so I'm just going slow and trying to learn... with out making it worse! Do you recommend any good step by step tutorials/resources to guide me through what I'm trying to accomplish with what I have on hand? Specifically order of operation, ie ram before, switching to HDD for macOS. I'm good at following directions but wouldn't want to go about this with out all the sequential steps...particularly concerned with lost data or somehow locking myself out of access.

Oct 3, 2024 6:39 PM in response to HWTech

I just posted some updated reports for bot hdd and ssd Storage Discrepancy late-2015 iMac 27.


I ran first aid as you suggest with out seeing and unfix or fixed errors. I also did the same in safe mode. the notion of erasing and resetting/reloading everything seems appropriate at this point. However seems a bit daunting for my experience level. I need to work up the courage! Along with finding some good tutorials on how to perform and order of sequence.


Told my wife last week "just need to pop these new memory cards in and it will be like new!" lol boy did I step in it.

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