Which Disk is the Target Disk?

I have visited a number of instructions for target disk operations and in none of them was I able to get a clear definition of which disk is the TARGET DISK. I have a Mac mini 2020 which I want to be the disk TO WHICH I transfer/copy files and apps FROM a Mac mini 2014 and a Mac mini 2009 (all disks will be connected via ethernet from the router). In this configuration is the mini 2020 the Target disk? If one of the external disks is the Target disk, which one? Both?


To me and my 75-year-old brain, "Target" implies that sheet of paper with concentric circles 50 yards downrange, the place where you want your attention to land, but I might be wrong. I thought I made a mistake a number of years ago but I was wrong 🤭. At any rate, if my suspicions are correct, maybe the target disk should be renamed the MAIN disk and the external disks the EXTERNAL disks. But what do I know?


Y'all have been instrumental in helping me with other issuses and I am confident y'all can help with this one. Thank you in advance.

Mac mini, macOS 14.6

Posted on Oct 1, 2024 2:21 PM

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Posted on Oct 3, 2024 3:57 PM

tcarder wrote:

It is clear I am not explaining my situation well at all. All I am trying to do is to make my mini 2009 and mini 2014 accessible to the mini 2020.


There are a few ways to do that.


Target Disk Mode (Intel-based Macs)


One is to boot the 2009 Mac mini and 2014 Mac mini into a special mode where they act as external disk drives, and nothing else. That is called Target Disk Mode – and here, "Target" refers to the Mac running in the special mode, regardless of the direction in which you are copying files.


Transfer files between two Mac computers using target disk mode - Apple Support


Whether you can use this mode is a bit more complicated. A 2020 Mac mini would be an Apple Silicon Mac mini, running Big Sur or later. According to the Support article,


"If either of the computers has macOS 11 or later installed, you must connect the two computers using a Thunderbolt cable."


This would be impossible with the 2009 Mac mini – which does not support Thunderbolt. It would be possible to make a Thunderbolt connection to the 2014 Mac mini, but it has an older form of Thunderbolt, so you would need both a $50 Apple Thunderbolt 3-to-2 adapter and a $30+ Thunderbolt 1/2 cable. It would have been nice if Apple had kept support for USB Target Disk Mode in Big Sur and later – but they didn't.


"Target Disk Mode" (Apple-Silicon-based Mac)


You could set up your 2020 (M1) Mac mini to act as an external drive for one of your older Mac minis. In this case, the connection does not need to be a Thunderbolt one. It could be a Thunderbolt one, but a USB one would work just fine. You can find the instructions for this here:


Transfer files between a Mac with Apple silicon and another Mac - Apple Support


Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to match your use case (2020 Mac as "computer", 2009/2014 Macs as "disks").


File Sharing


You could set up your 2009 Mac mini and 2014 Mac mini to share some of the files on their disks over the network and then mount the network volumes on your 2020 Mac mini.


Set up file sharing on Mac - Apple Support

Connect your Mac to shared computers and servers - Apple Support


Other Options


If all of your computers are connected to iCloud under the same Apple ID, you could copy specific files which you want to share into iCloud Drive. iCloud Drive will keep changes to those files synchronized between all the Macs. (Note that you would not want to copy a database like the iTunes Library or Photos Library to iCloud Drive. There is a separate feature – iCloud Photos – that you can use to synchronize Photos libraries.)


If you just want to do a one-time transfer of files from the 2009 and 2014 Mac minis to the 2020 ones, you could copy files onto an external drive and transfer the external drive.

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Oct 3, 2024 3:57 PM in response to tcarder

tcarder wrote:

It is clear I am not explaining my situation well at all. All I am trying to do is to make my mini 2009 and mini 2014 accessible to the mini 2020.


There are a few ways to do that.


Target Disk Mode (Intel-based Macs)


One is to boot the 2009 Mac mini and 2014 Mac mini into a special mode where they act as external disk drives, and nothing else. That is called Target Disk Mode – and here, "Target" refers to the Mac running in the special mode, regardless of the direction in which you are copying files.


Transfer files between two Mac computers using target disk mode - Apple Support


Whether you can use this mode is a bit more complicated. A 2020 Mac mini would be an Apple Silicon Mac mini, running Big Sur or later. According to the Support article,


"If either of the computers has macOS 11 or later installed, you must connect the two computers using a Thunderbolt cable."


This would be impossible with the 2009 Mac mini – which does not support Thunderbolt. It would be possible to make a Thunderbolt connection to the 2014 Mac mini, but it has an older form of Thunderbolt, so you would need both a $50 Apple Thunderbolt 3-to-2 adapter and a $30+ Thunderbolt 1/2 cable. It would have been nice if Apple had kept support for USB Target Disk Mode in Big Sur and later – but they didn't.


"Target Disk Mode" (Apple-Silicon-based Mac)


You could set up your 2020 (M1) Mac mini to act as an external drive for one of your older Mac minis. In this case, the connection does not need to be a Thunderbolt one. It could be a Thunderbolt one, but a USB one would work just fine. You can find the instructions for this here:


Transfer files between a Mac with Apple silicon and another Mac - Apple Support


Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to match your use case (2020 Mac as "computer", 2009/2014 Macs as "disks").


File Sharing


You could set up your 2009 Mac mini and 2014 Mac mini to share some of the files on their disks over the network and then mount the network volumes on your 2020 Mac mini.


Set up file sharing on Mac - Apple Support

Connect your Mac to shared computers and servers - Apple Support


Other Options


If all of your computers are connected to iCloud under the same Apple ID, you could copy specific files which you want to share into iCloud Drive. iCloud Drive will keep changes to those files synchronized between all the Macs. (Note that you would not want to copy a database like the iTunes Library or Photos Library to iCloud Drive. There is a separate feature – iCloud Photos – that you can use to synchronize Photos libraries.)


If you just want to do a one-time transfer of files from the 2009 and 2014 Mac minis to the 2020 ones, you could copy files onto an external drive and transfer the external drive.

Oct 2, 2024 2:36 AM in response to tcarder

It seems to me that there might be some confusion with the expression "target disk" and, possibly, "target disk mode". The latter is meant for a specific situation where a mac is directly attached to another, and working just as a disk. This is NOT what you want if you are connecting all your macs to a local network.


Instead, what you want to do is Share the disk in some macs, and mount them in other macs (while all the macs are running normally).


If you can get a friend to help you locally, that will be far easier and less stressful than a back and forth here.

It takes just a minute to share a disk from one mac and access it from all others on the local network, but if you have never done it can be confusing.




Oct 1, 2024 4:22 PM in response to Niel

THAT, sir, is precisely what I needed. In none of the sets of instructions I visited was there any statement such as "...the one you're copying the files to..." So, the files to be transferred from the external disks (the mini 2014 and the mini 2009) are the "bullets" and the mini 2020 is the "target." I believe now that I need only to set the mini 2020 as the Target Disk and connect the other two minis to what I believe will be the Local Area Network (LAN) via ethernet to the router!


Just one more issue: I will be able to set either of the external minis as the startup disk then restart to directly access the files on them under the MacOS resident on that external disk, right? That way I will be able to use the files on the older minis (the 2014 [MacOS 10.14 Mojave and the 2009 MacOS 10.11 El Capitan]) under the MacOS resident in the external disk selected as the startup disk, right? And after finished with the files on that external disk, set the mini 2020 as the startup disk, restart, then blaze through under the MacOS 14.6.1 Sonoma (the MacOS on the mini 2020), right? A lot of key files on the mini 2009 (El Capitan) are not compatible with MacOS 14.6.1 on the mini 2020. My Canon HL-2040 LaserWriter printer is one of those "files" that is not compatible with MacOS 14.6.1. To anticipate a question about using the LaserWriter printer, a Driver for it to make it compatible with MacOS 14.6.1 does not exist. So, unless I can get my system set up as described above, my LaserWriter printer is no more than a paperweight. I'll then have to settle for my HP Officejet 4630 printer. The Officejet is nice ... but it is not a LaserWriter.


Thank you, Niel!

Oct 3, 2024 11:36 AM in response to Niel

It is clear I am not explaining my situation well at all. All I am trying to do is to make my mini 2009 and mini 2014 accessible to the mini 2020. I guess that would be making external disks of the mini 2009 and the mini 2014 just like my Seagate external HD is. I am not interested in booting my system from the mini 2009 or the mini 2014. I am trying to make all the files and apps on the mini 2009 and the mini 2014 accessible to the mini 2020. And have their "click-on" icons displayed either in the mini 2020 Finder menu window or on its desktop ... or both. Does that help any? One thing I am not interested in is making a back-n-forth out of this as Lois Sequeira1 eloquently terms it. So, this might be the last time I rattle cages on this topic. Y'all have responded to my issues enough. Thank you!


Oct 3, 2024 4:30 PM in response to tcarder

tcarder wrote:

Just one more issue: I will be able to set either of the external minis as the startup disk then restart to directly access the files on them under the MacOS resident on that external disk, right? That way I will be able to use the files on the older minis (the 2014 [MacOS 10.14 Mojave and the 2009 MacOS 10.11 El Capitan]) under the MacOS resident in the external disk selected as the startup disk, right?


No.


The Mac mini (M1, 2020) originally shipped with macOS 11.0 (Big Sur). As a rule, Macs cannot run any version of macOS earlier than the one originally shipped with their hardware model. That would rule out booting a M1 Mac mini off either a Mojave startup disk or an El Capitan startup disk even if all of your Macs used the same type of machine code.


The M1 Mac mini does not use the same basic type of machine code as Intel-based Macs, so you would not even be able to run El Capitan or Mojave on it by installing those OSes in a Parallels virtual machine.


Some of your old Intel applications may run on the M1 Mac mini – provided that they are 64-bit applications which do not rely on Intel-only system code (e.g., kernel extensions). This is thanks to the Rosetta 2 translator included with Apple Silicon versions of macOS. The first time you run an Intel application on an Apple Silicon Mac, there is a short delay while Rosetta 2 translates Intel machine code to Apple Silicon machine code and saves a copy of the translation. On the second and subsequent runs, there is no delay, because the Mac uses the saved translation.

Oct 3, 2024 4:38 PM in response to tcarder

A further question. Is your goal:


  • To keep using the 2009 Mac mini and 2014 Mac mini after you have set up the M1 Mac mini – i.e., there is going to be an ongoing need for three computers to have access to the same files?

OR

  • To transfer everything that you want to save (and can save) to the M1 Mac mini – so that you can retire the older machines, or use them for other things that will not involve ongoing sharing of files?


Whether your goal is file sharing or migration could make a difference in terms of the advice that people would give you.

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