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Finder Search not working plus Column view sooooo slow.

I realise I may never get to the bottom of these two problems but I have to try.


  1. On my iMac 3.8 GHz 8-Core Intel Core i7 80Gb memory (OS 15.0.1), for quite some time, a year or so maybe, the Finder search has not been working. I have gone through the popular re-indexing process several times but no fix. So I purchased Find Any File.
  2. I also have two external drives, one is a Samsung T7 SSD 1TB (Mac OS Extended) work drive and the other is a Time Machine small hard drive 2TB (APFS). I always use Column view and when in either Indesign, Illustrator, Photoshop or any app for that matter, it can take up to 25 seconds to navigate down into folders to find files, and never less than 5 seconds. Bearing in mind this is the T7 SSD this isn't right. I do get the spinning wheel while it sorts itself out.


I have found through elimination that unplugging the TM drive fixes it, but it's not ideal. The previous OS was no better. I am using the USB cables that came with the devices.

I realise there may be a lot to go through, but any suggestions would help very much.

Thank you.

iMac 27ā€³, macOS 15.0

Posted on Oct 18, 2024 6:27 AM

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Posted on Oct 30, 2024 11:13 AM

Hey Kryten,


Sorry for not replying sooner, my grandma just died and needed some time alone.


Well, this is certainly a bugger!


You can try this again with the "new" SSD Samsung 840 Pro, this is just the same process we did at first with the T7


As a test, go to Disk Utility in macOS Recovery mode, Use macOS Recovery on a Mac with Apple silicon - Apple Support, and see if the external SSD is detected there.


Additionally, test in Safe Mode, How to use safe mode on your Mac - Apple Support, and in a new, test user account: Add a user or group on Mac - Apple Support.


Then, please go to System settings -> Privacy and security -> Allow connection with accessories -> set to Always.


Later, format the T7 as APFS encrypted with Apple Disk Utility and make a backup copy using Carbon Copy Cloner. It should mount without issue and should access the content after putting in the password.


FYI the point of owning the T7 is it has built-in hardware encryption via password so should just use APFS. If you use APFS Encrypted (software encryption) your transfer speeds could be half of what you paid for.


e.g. with the external (not T7) you get around 655MB/s write with APFS vs 284MB/s APFS Encrypted = 43% of the speed possible.


Also, I remember when I bought the T7 (a few years ago) Samsung included a bunch of cables, if you still have the original cables try using the C to C cable, sometimes cables that arent the same (ie. A to C, and of the likes) have trouble.


As always, any information or updates are greatly appreciated!

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Oct 30, 2024 11:13 AM in response to Kryten602

Hey Kryten,


Sorry for not replying sooner, my grandma just died and needed some time alone.


Well, this is certainly a bugger!


You can try this again with the "new" SSD Samsung 840 Pro, this is just the same process we did at first with the T7


As a test, go to Disk Utility in macOS Recovery mode, Use macOS Recovery on a Mac with Apple silicon - Apple Support, and see if the external SSD is detected there.


Additionally, test in Safe Mode, How to use safe mode on your Mac - Apple Support, and in a new, test user account: Add a user or group on Mac - Apple Support.


Then, please go to System settings -> Privacy and security -> Allow connection with accessories -> set to Always.


Later, format the T7 as APFS encrypted with Apple Disk Utility and make a backup copy using Carbon Copy Cloner. It should mount without issue and should access the content after putting in the password.


FYI the point of owning the T7 is it has built-in hardware encryption via password so should just use APFS. If you use APFS Encrypted (software encryption) your transfer speeds could be half of what you paid for.


e.g. with the external (not T7) you get around 655MB/s write with APFS vs 284MB/s APFS Encrypted = 43% of the speed possible.


Also, I remember when I bought the T7 (a few years ago) Samsung included a bunch of cables, if you still have the original cables try using the C to C cable, sometimes cables that arent the same (ie. A to C, and of the likes) have trouble.


As always, any information or updates are greatly appreciated!

Oct 21, 2024 12:01 PM in response to Blue_The_Dog

Well, this problem doesn't want to go away. I transferred all data from T7 to another SSD Samsung 840 Pro. After transfer 'ejected' T7 and searched the new SSD and search worked fine. Restarted and now no search function again. I am confused. I remember a time around MacOSX Tiger or Snow Leopard and even Big Sur when I thought 'yeah a bug-free OS finally.' and then came more upgrades - 🙁

Oct 18, 2024 7:41 AM in response to Kryten602

If this doesn't work please let me know with further details. Thanks!


On the Mac in Sys Prefs>Spotlight>Search results, what all is checked?


Find Any File...


http://apps.tempel.org/FindAnyFile/index.php


Hold Option or alt key when selecting Find to Find All.


How to rebuild the Spotlight index on your Mac

If searching your Mac doesnā€™t return expected results, rebuilding the Spotlight index might help.


  1. Choose Apple menu (ļ£æ) > System Preferences, then click Spotlight.
  2. Click the Privacy tab.
  3. Drag the folder or disk that you want to index again to the list of locations that Spotlight is prevented from searching. Or click the Add (+) button and select the folder or disk to add.
  4. To add an item to the Privacy tab, you must have ownership permissions for that item. To learn about permissions, choose Help from the Finder menu bar, then search for ā€œpermissions.ā€
  5. From the same list of locations, select the folder or disk that you just added. Then click the Remove (ā€“) button to remove it from the list.
  6. Quit System Preferences. Spotlight will reindex the contents of the folder or disk.


If still not working...


Safe Boot, (holding Shift key down at startup), does the problem occur in Safe Mode? Could take 10 minutes.


Safe mode attempts to repair Disks & clears lots of caches & loads safe Drivers, & prevents loading of 3rd party extensions, so if Safe Mode works try again in regular boot.


Manually Rebuilding Spotlight via Terminal

If the aforementioned Spotlight control panel approach doesnā€™t spur a reindexation of the drive, you may need to initiate it manually through the command line. Open Terminal and use the following command string to do so:


sudo mdutil -E /

This basically asks for temporary super user status, which is why Terminal may ask you for your password (it may not if youā€™ve used a sudo command recently or are already logged in as a super user or root. The command asks the unix tool mdutil to reindex the spotlight database for everything on the computer, including external drives, mounted disk images, etc. To re-index only for a specific drive, use the /Volumes path. For example, for an external drive named ā€œMiniMe,ā€ the command would look like this:


sudo mdutil -i on /


Rebuilding a drive index can take a long time, so be prepared to wait whether you do it through the System Preference panel or the command line.


If still need beā€¦


Open Terminal and run each of these one at a time


/System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/LaunchServices.framework/Versions/A/Support/lsregister -kill -r -domain local -domain system -domain user


sudo /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Frameworks/LaunchServices.framework/Support/lsregister -kill -seed -lint -r -f -v -dump -domain local -domain system -domain user -domain network


killall Dock


sudo mdutil -E /


sudo mdutil -i on /


Rebuilding a drive index can take a long time, so be prepared to wait whether you do it through the System Preference panel or the command line.

Oct 18, 2024 10:28 AM in response to Kryten602

Hm... This is certainly getting pickier, a fresh OS should fix this but let's leave that as a last resort. I've been researching in the meantime and maybe this can help. If not, please reply with an update on what's happening.


  1. InĀ Finder, click onĀ Applications, thenĀ Utilities, and double-clickĀ Terminal.
  2. In the Terminal window, type the following command to list all connected drives and their identifiers:Ā diskutil list
  3. Locate your Samsung T7 external drive in the list and note its identifier (e.g.,Ā disk2).
  4. To format the drive, type the following command, replacing "X" with the identifier noted in the previous step:Ā sudo diskutil eraseDisk APFS "SamsungT7" GPT /dev/diskX.
    • This command will format the Samsung T7 drive asĀ APFSĀ with the nameĀ SamsungT7Ā and use theĀ GUID Partition Table (GPT)Ā scheme.
    • If you prefer to useĀ Mac OS Extended (Journaled)Ā instead of APFS, replace APFS withĀ JHFS+Ā in the command.
  1. PressĀ EnterĀ to execute the command. You will be prompted to enter your administrator password.
  2. EnterĀ your password and press Enter again. The Terminal will format your Samsung T7 drive according to your chosen settings.
  3. Once the formatting is complete, a success message will appear in Terminal


Oct 20, 2024 7:35 AM in response to Blue_The_Dog

Would you believe the T7 external has lost its searchability again? The speed issue seems to be okay now. Search in Finder always reverts to This Mac but the T7 shows nothing. Formatted AFPS, permissions set to Read & Write, Read only, Read only. Also T7 backup on Time Machine not searchable either? I don't get it Bluey.

Adding to Spotlight and removing, not fixed it.

Oct 20, 2024 8:17 AM in response to Kryten602

A few things to keep in mind and that may or may not be related to your problems:


1- When using any current macOS from 10.15 Catalina to the latest 15 Sequoia, SSDs should be formatted APFS. HDDs may also be formatted with APFS, but drive performance may be impacted. APFS really was designed to maximize the performance of SSDs.


2- Time Machine backups really should be the only thing kept on a backup drive. Storing miscellaneous user files on a backup drive risks those files and the computer backup when the drive fails. A Time Machine backup drive should be 2x to 3x the capacity of the drive(s) you will be backing up.


3- It is best practice to always have available as free space no less than about 15% of the startup drive's total capacity. This will allow the maOS the room it needs to operate properly without slowing it down. In other words, don't let the startup drive run short of available storage space; never less than 50GB, or so.



Oct 20, 2024 10:31 AM in response to Kryten602

What year and model is your Mac? Also, have you tried using another External Drive? Except for some formatting with Disk Utility, External Drives should be plug-in and go. I would suggest to check the cables on the T7. I have seen other discussions and the T7 has similar or worse problems on Macs and Macbooks.


Lastly, I know it's not convenient, but I would suggest transferring the information from the T7 to another External Drive something like a Sandisk Pro G-Drive or Crucial X9 Pro. If you have anymore updates please let me know!

Oct 30, 2024 12:32 PM in response to Blue_The_Dog

So sorry to hear about your Gran Bluey, always a sad time.

I don't think this is a specific drive issue as Finder won't search either the T7 or Time Machine. The T7 is formatted APFS which has speeded up considerably opening files in column view. So I've got a result of sorts.

I have also just updated to 15.1 and can't find System settings -> Privacy and security -> Allow connection with accessories -> set to Always.

Just to reiterate the Samsung 840 Pro also didn't search after a restart, but it did before so not sure what's going on there.

We must have tried just about everything so I may have to leave it how it is. I have tried also (again) adding T7 to the Spotlight ignore list etc., but no better result.

Sincere thanks for your time and input old chap.

Oct 30, 2024 12:41 PM in response to Kryten602

Thanks, mate,


Right about now, there is only one thing we haven't tried, both SSDs are Samsungs, meaning that Samsung might have compatibility issues with Mac, sure they say it's compatible but with no guarantees of a smooth process. I have checked other forums/discussions in this community and have seen that you are not the only person with this problem, some have fixed it and others have not. What I'm trying to say is that maybe just maybe, using an SSD that isn't a Samsung, might fix this problem. I honestly do not have any info or data to support this, I am acting on pure "gut feeling". It has been a fun journey trying to get this fixed buddy. Hopefully, this works out!


As always, any information or updates are greatly appreciated.


Cheers,


Bluey

Finder Search not working plus Column view sooooo slow.

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