What do I need to have to get 3 external monitors to work in extended mode?

I do not own a MacBook Pro yet. I have a Mac Mini and a Dell Laptop. I used to run a dual boot windows and linux on the laptop and recently switch to the Mini full time for development work. I usually have used the laptop with 3 external displays. I don't use the laptop screen all that much in this mode because it's too small for me to see while sitting at the desk. All 3 of my displays are 1080p monitors at 60hz. I do not need a higher resolution, or faster refresh rate as I am just doing software ( and mobile ) development.


I currently have a dell wd19tb dock. I tried plugging this into the mini today and it definitely will not work for the 3 displays so I am assuming I need at least a new dock, however there are a lot of docks that are just dual display, not triple. I also saw that the M4 Pro says it can only do 2 external displays, but that's at large resolutions I do not use. I really do not need the M4 Max as it's overkill for what I do. My Mac Mini is an M2 pro and it works just fine for everything I have done with it.


I've read about getting a dock with DisplayLink but looking at the display link forums, there are lots of little display issues sometimes (they are responsive to posts and trying to fix problems) and I worry that this will get annoying when trying to just get work done during the day.


What do I need to get in order to do this right? Which MacBook pro model and which dock will make this seamless?


Edit: My monitors are all HDMI. The mac mini I have one HDMI port used and I bought a USB-C to HDMI (thunderbolt 3 compatible) cable and a belkin usb-c to hdmi adapter. Both say they support up to 4k, again not needed though, but they work. I would just like to have one cable to plug into the MacBook, ideally.

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Posted on Nov 9, 2024 8:53 AM

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Nov 9, 2024 12:43 PM in response to TheRealCodeMonk

TheRealCodeMonk wrote:

I also saw that the M4 Pro says it can only do 2 external displays, but that's at large resolutions I do not use. I really do not need the M4 Max as it's overkill for what I do. My Mac Mini is an M2 pro and it works just fine for everything I have done with it.


All available evidence suggests that the M2 Pro, M3 Pro, and M4 Pro chips can drive a maximum of three displays total – including any built-in one.


The M2 Pro Mac mini has no built-in display, so all three of the chip's video outputs are available for external ones. On 14" or 16" MacBook Pros, one of the video outputs is dedicated full-time to the internal display (whether the lid is open or closed), leaving two video outputs to support external displays.


If you need three hardware-supported video outputs on an Apple Silicon Mac notebook, you need a Max chip. You may not want everything on the Max chip – but with the System on Chip design, things are going to be bundled to a certain extent. I do not believe that it would be feasible for the semiconductor manufacturing plant to custom-build SoC variants with every possible combination of CPU cores, GPU cores, I/O controllers, and display controllers. The economics of design, testing, and production strongly favor mass production of a more limited set of designs.


For better, or for worse, Apple decides what the designs are – and they put the largest number of display controllers into the SoCs with the highest SoC-RAM bandwidth and the largest number of GPU cores.


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Have you considered another possibility – consolidating your display space onto two larger monitors? If there were only two monitors, you would not need a Max chip – and you might be able to plug both into a Thunderbolt dock so there would be only one cable to plug into the MacBook.


If you are using three 24" 1920x1080 displays now, you could replace them with two 27" ones. Two 2.5K displays, or two 4K ones operating in Retina "looks like 2560x1440" mode, would have 18.5% more "workspace" than three 24" 1920x1080 ones. If you ran two 4K monitors in Retina "looks like 3008x1692" mode, you would have 63.6% more "workspace" than three 24" 1080p monitors give you.

Nov 9, 2024 5:24 PM in response to TheRealCodeMonk

There is one other thing you might want to know. I believe that you can have one AirPlay display or Sidecar display in addition to the hardware-supported ones. (Sidecar is a feature that allows you to use an iPad as a display and an input device for a Mac.)


These are software-based methods, and they aren't as good as a hardware connection to a monitor. The quality of an AirPlay display might, or might not, be acceptable. But you did say that your third monitor is a 21" one – which I take to imply a resolution of 1920x1080 pixels – and that it is a "teams/outlook/other monitor" that you do not look at very often.


Given all of this, you might be able to drive that 21" monitor by adding something along the lines of this cheap ($20) low-end Roku streaming stick. This thing doesn't support 4K, but I doubt that your display is a 4K one - and $20 is a lot less to risk on something that might not pan out than $129 to $149 for an Apple TV 4K set-top box.


Roku – Roku Express


You could test this with your current Mac mini – and if you found it workable, you could then make a decision to go for a MBP that can "only" drive two displays with the lid open. You'd connect your two 27" displays in a first-class manner through a Thunderbolt dock, and your 21" display in a second-class way via AirPlay.


Getting a Max chip would be safer in the sense that if you ever wanted to replace the 21" display with a bigger one, or if you wanted the best possible video quality on the third screen, the Max chip could support that. But if you did go the AirPlay route, you wouldn't need to run a special driver (as you do with DisplayLink and the like). The driver for AirPlay is already built in.

Nov 9, 2024 11:56 AM in response to TheRealCodeMonk

The only Apple Silicon MacBook notebooks that support three external displays are 14" and 16" models that have M1 Max, M2 Max, M3 Max or M4 Max chips. (The M4 Max ones are current; the others are discontinued.)


Manuals, Specs, and Downloads - Apple Support


To date, the rule regarding connecting multiple monitors to one Mac host port is as follows. You can connect two displays to one Mac host port if all of the following conditions hold:

  • That port is a Thunderbolt port,
  • The device immediately attached to it is a Thunderbolt device, like a hub or a dock,
  • The Mac supports two or more USB-C or Thunderbolt displays, and
  • The displays have resolutions of 4K @ 60 Hz or less


Since you plan on using three external displays, plan on plugging at least one of them directly into the computer.


14" and 16" MacBook Pros with the M4 Max chip have Thunderbolt 5 ports, and given that Thunderbolt 5 has much more bandwidth than Thunderbolt 3 and 4, it might be possible to connect three or four displays to a Thunderbolt 5 dock that was plugged into a M4 Max MacBook Pro. In the absence of more detailed Support documentation, or of people reporting real-world results, it is too early to say.

Nov 9, 2024 3:04 PM in response to TheRealCodeMonk

DisplayLink technology creates a "fake" display buffer in RAM, sends the data out over a slower interface to a stunt box with DisplayLink custom chips that put that data back onto a "legacy" interface. It is not a true "accelerated" display, and it can suffer from lagging. Just adding the DisplayLink Driver is not adequate to get a picture -- you need a DisplayLink "stunt-box" or a Dock that includes DisplayLink chips.


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It may be acceptable for a second display showing slow-to-change data such as computer program listings, stock quotes, or spreadsheets, but NOT for full motion Video, not for Video editing, and absolutely not for gaming. Mouse-tracking on that display can lag, and can make you feel queasy.


In a pinch, it may even play Internet videos (as one user put it) “without too many dropped frames".

If you are only doing program listings spreadsheets, stock quotes, and other slow to change data, DisplayLink can work for you, but requires you to make some strong compromises.


Nov 9, 2024 7:30 PM in response to Servant of Cats

Servant of Cats wrote:

Getting a Max chip would be safer in the sense that if you ever wanted to replace the 21" display with a bigger one, or if you wanted the best possible video quality on the third screen, the Max chip could support that. But if you did go the AirPlay route, you wouldn't need to run a special driver (as you do with DisplayLink and the like). The driver for AirPlay is already built in.

I think the key here is the word "safer". Going with the max now, I won't have to worry about it, ever. I am in another hobby where the phrase is always "buy once, cry once". I think the Max, with a thunderbolt 5 dock, is going to be expensive, but that should be all I need for a least 5 years, if not more. The bonus here is, if I ever do upgrade my displays to be a higher resolution, I don't need to worry about it. I can just do it.


I really appreciate everyone walking me through this.

Nov 9, 2024 2:52 PM in response to Servant of Cats

This is all very helpful explanations.



Servant of Cats wrote:

Have you considered another possibility – consolidating your display space onto two larger monitors? If there were only two monitors, you would not need a Max chip – and you might be able to plug both into a Thunderbolt dock so there would be only one cable to plug into the MacBook.

If you are using three 24" 1920x1080 displays now, you could replace them with two 27" ones. Two 2.5K displays, or two 4K ones operating in Retina "looks like 2560x1440" mode, would have 18.5% more "workspace" than three 24" 1920x1080 ones. If you ran two 4K monitors in Retina "looks like 3008x1692" mode, you would have 63.6% more "workspace" than three 24" 1080p monitors give you.

Two of my monitors are 27" and one is a 21". One 27" inch is the primary monitor mounted landscape mode, but the other 27" is mounted in portrait mode on the right side of the landscape one. This allows me to put documentation on it to give me a longer viewable area because some of these docs are very detailed and long. The 21" is mounted above the landscape 27" monitor as my teams/outlook/other monitor. I don't look at it often, but it's nice to be able to just look up and see what someone has said in a chat without switching off the important content on my screen.


I used to only have two monitors and the third was the laptop, but as I get older, it was harder to see that screen sitting on the desk. It had to be pushed back because I use a mechanical keyboard to type on, so I needed the room.


I guess I could always get the m4 pro max, just in case, then evaluate to see if i could go back to two while utilizing the mac screen. If not, I have the ability to still do the 3..

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