Finder Info says 932 GB Finder Size column adds up to less than 650 GB threw out over 100GB and still 932

MBP top-of-the-line i7 16 GB memory 1T SSD.

upper shot is finder of my user sorted by size.

Other users have maybe an MB or 2

Applications about 30 GB


I threw out 100s of GB and emptied Trash and maybe 2 GB changed in Finder Info.


Appears to be nearly 300 GB not accounted for.


Does anyone know terminal commands to show these hidden files?

MacBook Pro 15″, macOS 13.6

Posted on Dec 4, 2024 3:49 PM

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Posted on Dec 4, 2024 4:50 PM

It's (probably) not hidden files. You simply can't believe anything that Finder tells you about storage. It can be wildly incorrect. Plus, at a low level, the APFS file system makes it so that the math doesn't even add up. But even accounting for APFS math, the Finder is in a (fantasy) league of its own when it comes to storage.


You can run the "df -h" command to see the actual amount of free storage. Look at the "Avail" column. That's your free space.


Sadly, elsewhere, Apple recycles the word "Available" to mean something completely different. If you run Disk Utility, you can rely on the "free" value reported for the entire hard drive.

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Dec 4, 2024 4:50 PM in response to Mindzman

It's (probably) not hidden files. You simply can't believe anything that Finder tells you about storage. It can be wildly incorrect. Plus, at a low level, the APFS file system makes it so that the math doesn't even add up. But even accounting for APFS math, the Finder is in a (fantasy) league of its own when it comes to storage.


You can run the "df -h" command to see the actual amount of free storage. Look at the "Avail" column. That's your free space.


Sadly, elsewhere, Apple recycles the word "Available" to mean something completely different. If you run Disk Utility, you can rely on the "free" value reported for the entire hard drive.

Dec 4, 2024 10:11 PM in response to Mindzman

@etresoft is absolutely correct.


Plus there are some areas of the drive that can be inaccessible even with root privileges and Full Disk Access. And some methods of examining the storage on the drive will result in items being counted twice. I was just trying to figure out where all my storage went on one of my personal Macs since the folder I thought should have been using the most storage wasn't even causing much of an impact. No matter how I looked, I always came up a bit short (about 30GB).


As for not gaining any more Free storage space immediately after deleting files, this can be due to two aspects of the APFS file system.


  1. Deleted data can still remain behind in hidden APFS snapshots used by Apple's own Time Machine and even third party backup software. At some point (decided by macOS and/or the backup software), those APFS snapshots will automatically be deleted. Once the last APFS snapshot containing the data you deleted is gone, then you will see an increase in the Free storage space.
  2. If you copied any items to another location within the same APFS volume, then you did not actually create a second physical copy of that data. You only created a new link to the same physical data. So deleting one of the links will not result in any changes to the Free storage value. You would need to delete all "copies" or links to that data before the data is actually removed. Then you would still be at the mercy of Item#1 with the backup APFS snapshots.


Here is an Apple article with instructions on how to view the APFS snapshots:

View APFS snapshots in Disk Utility on Mac - Apple Support


If you delete the APFS snapshots before they have been completely transferred to external media, then you will be losing the most recent versions of your data, so tread carefully. There is actually a Terminal command that can "thin" APFS snapshots. I'm not sure exactly what it does, perhaps it just tells macOS to delete the snapshots that have already been transferred to external media. If you are using third party backup software, then it may contain settings for how many & how long the snapshots are retained.


As mentioned by @etresoft, the only value of concern is the Free storage value that is shown in Disk Utility (or in the Apple System Profiler). It is a shame that such an important item is hidden away from view and a completely misleading "Available" value is shown every where within macOS.


FYI, here is how the "Free", "Available", and "Purgeable" values are related in case you are interested (and no, you cannot control the "Purgeable" storage....only macOS controls the "Purgeable" storage):

Free space = Available space - Purgeable space


Dec 5, 2024 6:37 AM in response to HWTech

How can I throw out nearly 300 GB and available moves 2 GB?


Instructions to see snapshots produced nothing. I have a back up of the drive done in SuperDuper, so I am not worried about snapshots.


What bothers me is my computer is slowing down dramatically because 10% of my drive is NOT available.


I've never encountered this before, before if I threw out a folder with25 GB in it, 25 GB more space was available.


Is there a way to see hidden files?


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