Increasing font size globally on Mac Mini with 4K monitor

brand new mac mini m4 , told they are a fantastic brilliant machine , connected it to my amazing 4k monitor , but cant increase menu text sizes globally ? What ! like you can in windows in a few seconds. ive tried all the accessibility options , but none of them do a global increase , am I really missing a setting somewhere ? it's pretty useless if I cant see the menu items generally , I bought it primarily for editing photos at the highest quality I can in lightroom and photoshop as i was told the mac M chips are the best and fastest way of doing so .


but currently this is next to useless ??


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Posted on Dec 17, 2024 3:19 AM

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Posted on Dec 18, 2024 7:50 AM

Thank you for your very thorough replies , i've been messing about today with some 61mp photos in lightroom and photoshop and trying different resolutions as you indicated in your post ..


Perhaps it's just me but on loading and viewing in all the different resolutions , it still appears to be the keenest sharpest looking when I select the 4k resolution 3840 x 2160 from the list, but then I have to suffer the very small fonts and menu's ( perhaps it's just my eyes but the detail of fine hairs etc seems clearer than at the lower res you suggested with the larger menus etc.. 2560 x 1440


Anyhow I Hope Apple take note of the Many people, who seem to raise the very same issue as I have , and decide to move away from the mantra "if it aint broke dont fix it" as the world moves on and people generally expect (the so called high tech companies to move on with the times) being able to adjust the various fonts around the screen would be an extremely handy addition to the operating system , especially for those of us spectacle users in general :-)


Again thanks to all for taking the time to reply, it's appreciated.. but Alas it would seem Apple won't allow me to customise my fancy expensive machine in the manner I would prefer too :-(

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Dec 18, 2024 7:50 AM in response to Servant of Cats

Thank you for your very thorough replies , i've been messing about today with some 61mp photos in lightroom and photoshop and trying different resolutions as you indicated in your post ..


Perhaps it's just me but on loading and viewing in all the different resolutions , it still appears to be the keenest sharpest looking when I select the 4k resolution 3840 x 2160 from the list, but then I have to suffer the very small fonts and menu's ( perhaps it's just my eyes but the detail of fine hairs etc seems clearer than at the lower res you suggested with the larger menus etc.. 2560 x 1440


Anyhow I Hope Apple take note of the Many people, who seem to raise the very same issue as I have , and decide to move away from the mantra "if it aint broke dont fix it" as the world moves on and people generally expect (the so called high tech companies to move on with the times) being able to adjust the various fonts around the screen would be an extremely handy addition to the operating system , especially for those of us spectacle users in general :-)


Again thanks to all for taking the time to reply, it's appreciated.. but Alas it would seem Apple won't allow me to customise my fancy expensive machine in the manner I would prefer too :-(

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Dec 17, 2024 8:19 AM in response to amarko5

The way you do this on a Mac is to use Retina scaling.


My 27" 4K monitor is currently running in a Retina scaling mode.

  • The Displays Setting, or "UI looks like" resolution is 2560x1440 pixels, one notch down from "Larger Text".
  • The internal drawing canvas has a resolution of 5120x2880 pixels – twice the number of pixels in each direction. macOS uses the extra resolution to draw letter shapes more accurately. Retina-aware applications use it to fill in photo areas in greater detail.
  • The Mac sends the monitor a 3840x2160 pixel image, downscaled from the 5120x2880 pixel one. If my display had been a 27" Apple 5K Studio Display, or the screen of a 27" 5K Retina iMac, the resolution of the LCD panel would have exactly matched the 5120x2880 pixel canvas resolution.
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Dec 17, 2024 6:29 PM in response to amarko5

amarko5 wrote:
as I keep seeing in all the discussion I read on this matter it seems the consensus is to "dumb down" i.e. run the monitor at 2560 x 1440 . but does that not then defeat the object of having a 4k monitor if you are working at 2.5k


The Retina "like 2560x1440" mode that I am talking about uses the full 3840x2160 resolution of the monitor. It just does not use it for cramming more and more, tinier and tinier, stuff on the screen.


An analogy: Commercial printing presses have much higher resolution than any display, even a 27" 5K or 32" 6K Apple Retina display. It would be possible for book publishers to print books exclusively in 2-point or 3-point text so as to "use all of the resolution of the printing press". Yet they do not.


all this talk of retina this and retina that would appear to not apply to me being a non retina display .


If I go into Displays Settings, I see a row of five icons representing different settings that I can use with my 27" 4K display.

  • Retina "like 1920x1080" (Larger Text) – drawing takes place on a 3840x2160 (4K) canvas
  • Retina "like 2560x1440" – drawing takes place on a 5120x2880 (5K) canvas
  • Retina "like 3008x1692" – drawing takes place on a 6016x3384 (6K) canvas
  • Retina "like 3360x1890" – drawing takes place on a canvas with greater than 6K resolution
  • 3840x2160 (More Space) – drawing takes place on a 3840x2160 (4K) canvas

No matter which setting I choose, the Mac draws on a canvas that has at least 4K resolution, and the signal that goes to the monitor has 4K resolution (as reported by the monitor).


sorry if I sound thick but why would I want to work in 2.5k when I bought a machine and a monitor capable of working at 4k ?? it would seem a simple fix for apple to just give us a global scaling option for the fonts


It would not be a "simple fix." It would require changing the APIs that applications use to deal with the operating system. Since no existing applications know about the control that you want, this would require updates to every application. Any application that wasn't updated would work poorly on any screen that Apple makes today – and would also work poorly on third-party 4K and 5K displays.


This would inflict the sort of pain on Mac users that I believe a lot of Windows users suffered in the early days of high-PPI displays, when there were major Windows applications that simply ignored the text scaling control and thus were not very pleasant to use on high-PPI displays.


The Retina system seems to have worked out pretty well for Mac users for many years now. There's a saying that goes "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

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Dec 17, 2024 8:28 AM in response to Servant of Cats

If you go into Displays Settings, and tell it to show a list of all resolutions, you may see choices like



Here, if I click back and forth between "2560 x 1440" and "2560 x 1440 (low resolution)" while looking at stuff on the screen, it's pretty easy to see a difference.


"2560 x 1440 (low resolution)" results in the Mac drawing on a 2.5K canvas, which either the Mac or the monitor then upscale to 4K in an ugly "digital zoom" sort of way. "2560 x 1440" cause the Mac to draw on a 5K canvas, before downscaling the image to accommodate the lower 4K resolution of the monitor.

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Dec 18, 2024 8:07 AM in response to amarko5

TinkerTool (freeware):


https://www.bresink.com/osx/TinkerTool.html


allows you to change some things in macOS that aren't given a user interface, including some font settings. You might give it a try. Note that changing the default font sizes may cause problems with some features or apps - which is probably why Apple does not have an interface to make such adjustments - but it most cases it should be possible to restore the settings to the default to correct the issue.


Regards.

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Dec 17, 2024 10:12 AM in response to Servant of Cats

I Appreciate the quick reply but bear with me , I dont have a retina display i have a 4k samsung 32" diagonal monitor , and for the last few years i've been editing in a pc with a screen resolution of 4k , but windows allows me to scale fonts by whatever percentage I determine (usually used about 150%) so i can read the menu's and toolbars etc but my editing was all done in Lightroom and photoshop with the benefit of 4k resolution .


as I keep seeing in all the discussion I read on this matter it seems the consensus is to "dumb down" i.e. run the monitor at 2560 x 1440 . but does that not then defeat the object of having a 4k monitor if you are working at 2.5k


all this talk of retina this and retina that would appear to not apply to me being a non retina display .


I'd like to leave the resolution at 4k and just scale the fonts by a percentage so I can read the menu items without myoptic glasses...


sorry if I sound thick but why would I want to work in 2.5k when I bought a machine and a monitor capable of working at 4k ?? it would seem a simple fix for apple to just give us a global scaling option for the fonts , it is obviously capable for therm to do as they seem to allow about 10 apps in accessibility , to be altered to a larger font , but even finder only allows changing to 16 point in its settings ..


what am I not grasping here ? would it not be easier to allow a user to add programs to the accessibility list or just to allow rescaling of fonts globally ?


I bought the mac for the speed in photoshop and lightroom that the m4 processor brings but this limitation with menu font sizes is giving me grief..


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