Files being stored on iCloud and not on my local computer

I recently noticed that several files and folders are being stored on iCloud but are not available on my local computer, e.g., when I work offline.


I need exactly the opposite of this setup—I want all files to be stored on my computer, with the option to access iCloud if needed or use it as a backup.


What is the best way to resolve this without losing any files?


Primarily, I want to store certain files and folders on iCloud as a backup solution. Photos and similar files are irrelevant to me and do not need to be on iCloud, as that would be a waste of space.


I use iCloud Drive for specific drives and folders. I also noticed that some apps were syncing to iCloud, which I have now unchecked.


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Thanks for your help!




MacBook Air 13″, macOS 15.2

Posted on Jan 29, 2025 12:57 AM

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Posted on Jan 29, 2025 2:02 AM

Click on iCloud in Finder's LH pane (if it's not there go to finder/Settings/Sidebar and click iCloud)

In the RH pane of Finder you should see the folders and files which are on the iCloud drive with a cloud next to them. Right click the Cloud and select Keep Downloaded and the files/folders will stay on your Mac. Same with Files on iDevices.


iCloud is the "master" location for synched files - you can't have your Mac, or other device, as the "master" and just copy to iCloud. If you delete from iCloud it's deleted everywhere. That's why iCloud is not a backup


Finally - a bit about Backups/iCloud/Synchronization.

A backup is a copy, preferably on a separate drive, of your data. If you accidentally delete the original then you can get it back by copying it from your backup.  A backup will also keep many versions of a file, limited only by the storage space of the backup disc.


iCloud is a synch service.  It keeps files in synch across all your devices.  If you update a file on your Mac then the change propagates and the updated file appears on all your devices.  If you delete a file then the file is deleted on all your devices and, after 30 days, it's gone for ever, which means it's not a backup.  


Backup Strategies


For home users a so-called 3-2-1 strategy is a good start: 3 copies of your data using 2 different backup methods with 1 copy kept away from your home - e.g. at your folks or, as in my case, in a metal shed at in my garden.   2 methods, in my case, means that I use Time Machine and I also do a plain copy of the files in case I end up having to copy my backups to a non-Apple machine which might have trouble reading a TM backup.

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Jan 29, 2025 2:02 AM in response to UweTheSailor

Click on iCloud in Finder's LH pane (if it's not there go to finder/Settings/Sidebar and click iCloud)

In the RH pane of Finder you should see the folders and files which are on the iCloud drive with a cloud next to them. Right click the Cloud and select Keep Downloaded and the files/folders will stay on your Mac. Same with Files on iDevices.


iCloud is the "master" location for synched files - you can't have your Mac, or other device, as the "master" and just copy to iCloud. If you delete from iCloud it's deleted everywhere. That's why iCloud is not a backup


Finally - a bit about Backups/iCloud/Synchronization.

A backup is a copy, preferably on a separate drive, of your data. If you accidentally delete the original then you can get it back by copying it from your backup.  A backup will also keep many versions of a file, limited only by the storage space of the backup disc.


iCloud is a synch service.  It keeps files in synch across all your devices.  If you update a file on your Mac then the change propagates and the updated file appears on all your devices.  If you delete a file then the file is deleted on all your devices and, after 30 days, it's gone for ever, which means it's not a backup.  


Backup Strategies


For home users a so-called 3-2-1 strategy is a good start: 3 copies of your data using 2 different backup methods with 1 copy kept away from your home - e.g. at your folks or, as in my case, in a metal shed at in my garden.   2 methods, in my case, means that I use Time Machine and I also do a plain copy of the files in case I end up having to copy my backups to a non-Apple machine which might have trouble reading a TM backup.

Jan 29, 2025 6:19 PM in response to UweTheSailor

Again, turn off optimize files and your files will remain on your Mac. You have optimize turned on so that your least accessed/largest files will automatically be offloaded if space is needed on your device. Optimize is not on by default unless you select it to be enabled. Simply disable it and your files will remain on your Mac.

Jan 29, 2025 6:00 AM in response to Zurarczurx

Thank you @Zurarczurx!


I want to acknowledge, this workaround has worked for me:

“Click on iCloud in Finder’s LH pane (if it’s not there go to finder/Settings/Sidebar and click iCloud)

In the RH pane of Finder you should see the folders and files which are on the iCloud drive with a cloud next to them. Right click the Cloud and select Keep Downloaded and the files/folders will stay on your Mac. Same with Files on iDevices.”


My concern is where files are stored and how synching works - let us not get caught on the term "backup" for now and address that separately, please.


What I expect and assume from "synching to the cloud" 👀

When I decided to sync my files with the cloud, I expected all my files to remain on my device where they have been created while also being available in the cloud, in other words, "copied" to the cloud. I assumed that any changes I made locally would be reflected in the cloud—from my machine to the cloud, ensuring that I always had an up-to-date original file on my device where I created or amended the file. Hence, I expected that my files, the originals, would be always available on my device, even if I went offline, since they were being “synced to the cloud” rather than moved. It literally is not possible the other way round - I sync files that I create on my machine with the cloud.


👉 Please note the semantics: "I sync to the cloud" versus "I sync from the cloud".

👉 Backed by several sources, in the context of data and files, synchronising means ensuring that two locations, such as a device and the cloud, contain the same files and updates. It maintains consistency between copies by reflecting changes made in one place to the other, keeping multiple versions in harmony so they remain identical or updated in real time. 


The "Master" is Clearly my Device where files and data originates!

Files originate on my device, making it the "master location". Syncing happens later, copying them to the cloud—or rather, mirroring modifications made locally in the cloud. The process of synching does not change where files are created or controlled.

a. File Origination Defines the Master: Files are created and amended on my device first, meaning it holds the master files and should be treated like the master. The cloud only stores a copy or mirrors changes—the cloud does not create the originals. The creator of a file should always be the authority over its existence.

b. Syncing is a Secondary Process: Syncing happens after file creation. The cloud is a destination, not the source, meaning it should not dictate file presence on my device. The cloud only stores a copy, not the original, or merely mirrors modifications made to the files. A copy disappearing from the cloud or discontinuing synchronisation should not affect the original master file unless manually deleted or otherwise selected by the user / master.

c. Files Should Never Go Missing by Default: If a master file disappears due to syncing, then the system is not syncing but replacing or overriding—which contradicts the idea of synchronising. A master file should not be at risk of unintended deletion simply because syncing is enabled (or disabled).

d. The Device Has Priority Over File State: The device is where file creation, modification, and deletion originate. The cloud should only react to these changes, not dictate them. If the cloud is allowed to remove local files arbitrarily, then it becomes a controller, not a sync service.


Per my deduction and conclusion: Since files originate on my device, it must be the master—syncing just extends access, not ownership.


I hope all this makes sense?

Thank you all!

Yours truly,

Uwe


PS: For completion, the definition of a backup can vary, and I use the term in a broad sense. General Meaning / Definition: A backup is a secondary or substitute option that can be used if the primary one fails or becomes unavailable (e.g. lost device or replacement). However, it depends on the aspect you focus on. The idea that a proper backup must always be separate from the original is one approach, but not the only one. Different risks require different backup strategies—some backups exist to restore lost files, while others allow you to roll back changes or keep files accessible across devices. What matters most is what you’re protecting against, so your strategy should match your needs—and you may even combine different approaches, for instance, as I do.


PPS: I use British English


PPPS: I am not a native English speaker.


Jan 29, 2025 6:33 AM in response to UweTheSailor

I started to deal with your points one by one and gave up. The problem is that what you seem to be describing and what you seem to want is a backup service, not a synchronization service.


You have no say in how, whether or when iCloud synchs.

There is not really a master file when synching, except that, conceptually, Apple considers that iCloud is the master because if you turn iCloud off on a device it will ask if you wish to keep a copy of the iCloud data on your Mac and won't delete the icloud data.


If you have a file in a folder on iCloud called file.doc then you can edit that file on your Mac and, if you have iCloud drive enabled on mobile devices, you can edit it on your phones and ipads. Wherever and whenever you edit file.doc the changes will be synched via iCloud to all your devices. If you delete file.doc on Mac, iPhone, iPad or in iCloud on the web, the file will be deleted on all your devices. iCloud works like this. There's nothing you can do to change it. It's a two-way synch service, not a backup service.


You are trying to set up a backup from your Mac "master" files to iCloud. If I needed to do what you need to do then here's what I'd do. For the sake of simplicity let's imagine all my "master" docs are in a folder on my Mac called "Mac_Masters". You create a folder on iCloud called "iCloud_Mac_Masters" and, when you want to "synch" the Mac_Masters to iCould_Mac_Masters you simply copy the files from Mac_Masters to iCloud_Mac_Masters. There are apps that will do this as a one-way copy (i.e. only copy files that have changed) and will also do it on a schedule. So you can select source and destination folders on Mc and iCloud respectively and copy changed files across. I use Backuplist+ to do this with folders and files when doing plain backups to my NAS.

Jan 29, 2025 6:17 AM in response to UweTheSailor

Your files are retained on your computer provided that you do not have optimize files turned on, which you do. When you optimize, files may be offloaded into iCloud only but only if space is needed on your device.


there is no primary file location when synchronizing. You may edit on your Mac, in the cloud (if supported), or on another device. Any change propagates to all devices. If you’ve backed up delete a file in iCloud or on any device, it is deleted everywhere. If you’ve backed up add a file, it is added everywhere.

Jan 29, 2025 7:59 AM in response to UweTheSailor

What do you mean by "I switch it on or off". ?


When you change the file on your Mac it doesn't "keep a copy". It changes the file on iCloud synchronized with the file on your Mac. If you delete the file on iCloud you are not deleting a copy, you are deleting all instances of the file, everywhere - including on your Mac.


You are not really talking about iCloud synch, you are talking about how you want iCloud synch to work and it doesn't work that way. The way you want it to work is more like a backup than a synch.


Just to be clear, for the way you want iCloud to work imagine you do this.


  1. create a file on your Mac
  2. copy the file to iCloud
  3. edit the file on your Mac.
  4. --- what do you want to happen to the "copy" of the file on iCloud when you save the changes?
  5. delete the file on your Mac
  6. --- what do you want to happen to the "copy" of the file on iCloud?



Jan 29, 2025 6:57 AM in response to Zurarczurx

BUT - it's still not really a backup because you can still use and edit the files in iCloud on your other devices or, indeed, on your Mac. The likelihood of getting confused and editing the wrong file (the "master" and "copy" will have the same name) is high.


My advice: either buy a backup disc and use Time Machine to back up your Mac or subscribe to an online backup service and learn to use iCloud as the very useful and convenient two-way synch service that it is intended for.

Jan 29, 2025 7:34 AM in response to Zurarczurx

I am not sure what you mean with "You have no say in how, whether or when iCloud synchs." Of course I have, I switch it on (or off) and when I change the master file it synchs and keeps a copy. That is why synching is enabled in the first place. And I can access the files on my phone if I like (but that never worked for me).


In any case, the syncing service should not have the say in whether files on my local machine are deleted or not. I, the owner, should have this right solely.


We have a couple of issues here but mostly it is how iCloud is configured per default, which caused some problems in my case.


Thank you!


PS: I am not talking about backup, I am speaking about iCould sync.


Jan 29, 2025 7:48 AM in response to UweTheSailor

UweTheSailor wrote:

I am not sure what you mean with "You have no say in how, whether or when iCloud synchs." Of course I have, I switch it on (or off) and when I change the master file it synchs and keeps a copy. That is why synching is enabled in the first place. And I can access the files on my phone if I like (but that never worked for me).

iCloud works in the background. Any changes are synced automatically. If you optimize files, you have no control over what files may be offloaded. It is not intended to switch iCloud sync on/off as each time causes a complete new sync of all files. There is no "master" file; it's whichever file has the most recent updates.



In any case, the syncing service should not have the say in whether files on my local machine are deleted or not. I, the owner, should have this right solely.

You can delete files from any device of iCloud.com. iCloud does not delete files.



We have a couple of issues here but mostly it is how iCloud is configured per default, which caused some problems in my case.

There are no issues -- iCloud appears to be working as intended. I think you're seeking something that iCloud is not.



Jan 29, 2025 6:13 PM in response to muguy

Thank you Muguy for your replies.


I think we are drifting away from the problem or my concern. I admit my word choice may not be the best, but I am not native English speaker so bare with me...


In any case, the point is that "Files being stored on iCloud and not on my local computer" - as the heading indicates. Meaning that when I upgraded to the new operating system a while back I noticed that my local files are not accessible when I was offline. While iCloud Synch was enabled far back in the past. But only now since the upgrade the local files "disappeared" or where not accessible any longer in certain circumstances.


That is a behaviour that I tried to describe above. In any case, those where default settings (I must assume) and thus this is not a behaviour that can be tolerated as my files that I created on my computer suddenly disappearing - that should never happen! The iCloud should never decide to vanish files on my computer - what the heck - thats not a behaviour one should expect from any sync service.


And the idea is "Sync this Mac (to the cloud)" which is literally the text besides the switch. But Apple "thinks different" in this case and seems to decide what to do with my local files - that is what I think is totally wrong!


Hence this schabang alltogether.

Thank you!


PS: I am complaining how it works and want to state how it should work on expectations how syncing is described in general.


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