Is this trade worth it? Base M1 -> M3 Pro

Hello people,


I currently have the base 2020 MBP 13" with M1/8GB/256GB and found a deal for a MBP 14"/M3 Pro/18GB/512GB Refurbished by Apple.


My use cases are:


-Office work/remote work (MS Office, some specialized Windows software that I use via a remote connection to my companies server)


-I started studying AutoCad, so AutoCad/AutoCad LT for schematics and architectural drawings


-Hobbyist music production/making beats with Ableton (synth plugins, smaller sample libraries)


The problem with my current machine is that the RAM is kind of at the edge of usability. While it was a great machine over the last 4.5 years and the best laptop I ever had, I can see in the activity monitor that the RAM often fills up and the machine starts swapping; even when I have Outlook/Excel/Word/Chrome/Windows App open at the same time. In AutoCad I'm just meeting the minimum requirements of 8GB RAM, recommended is 16GB. In Ableton I sometimes have to export/freeze tracks because some libraries overfill the RAM by 1-4GB if I have them loaded at the same time. It's still usable for sure but I fear that it will continue to only get worse from here. On the other hand I don't just want to buy the shiny new thing if I can truck along a little bit longer haha


I can sell my current machine for around 450-500€ (570 US$) on the used market and the price for the new machine is 1300€ (1480 US$) with warranty, so the net cost will be around 800€ (915 US$). Is this a good deal and can I expect the new machine to last me 4-6 years with this use case?


Thanks!

MacBook Pro 13″, macOS 26.3

Posted on Mar 14, 2026 9:40 AM

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Posted on Mar 14, 2026 8:29 PM

From what you said in your initial post, and your reply, it sounds like you are more RAM-limited than CPU-limited. RAM is not expandable on any Apple Silicon Mac – and given the programs that you say you want to run, I'm not sure whether 18 GB is really going to be enough for the long haul.


Autodesk – System requirements for AutoCAD 2026 including Specialized Toolsets says that the recommended system requirement for Macs is "16 GB or higher". But if you look at "additional requirements" for handling large datasets, point clouds, and 3D modeling, they say you need 32 GB of RAM.


Ableton – Computer specifications for running Ableton Live says that "16 GB or higher" is recommended.


It might be better to buy a machine with 24 GB, 32 GB, or more of RAM to be on the safe side – especially if your goal is for a new machine to last you "4 – 6" years with your use case.

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Mar 14, 2026 8:29 PM in response to Der_Kauz

From what you said in your initial post, and your reply, it sounds like you are more RAM-limited than CPU-limited. RAM is not expandable on any Apple Silicon Mac – and given the programs that you say you want to run, I'm not sure whether 18 GB is really going to be enough for the long haul.


Autodesk – System requirements for AutoCAD 2026 including Specialized Toolsets says that the recommended system requirement for Macs is "16 GB or higher". But if you look at "additional requirements" for handling large datasets, point clouds, and 3D modeling, they say you need 32 GB of RAM.


Ableton – Computer specifications for running Ableton Live says that "16 GB or higher" is recommended.


It might be better to buy a machine with 24 GB, 32 GB, or more of RAM to be on the safe side – especially if your goal is for a new machine to last you "4 – 6" years with your use case.

Mar 14, 2026 11:00 AM in response to Der_Kauz

based ONLY on capabilities:


8GB of RAM is at the very low end of usability for a Mac running modern MacOS doing ordinary work. If you have only 8 GB you may be forced to QUIT your Browser before doing anything else, and high end work like video editing, advanced picture editing, or CAD will likely be too slow to be practical.


Your work is more demanding, and you definitely need more RAM.


Last month, Apple did not sell ANY Macs as new that had only 8GB of RAM [Then they introduced the Mac Neo, limited to 8GB, but not suitable for high-end work.]

Mar 14, 2026 11:33 AM in response to Der_Kauz

It’ll definitely be better than the severely-overloaded 8 GB Mac due to the faster processor and doubled memory, but likely still resource limited.


How far overcommitted does the current Mac get? The command-line command vm_stat will show pageins, pageouts, swapins, and swapouts, which will start accruing when available memory is lacking.


Microsoft Office, Ableton, AutoCAD, and particularly Google apps including Chrome, are not lightweight apps.


But only you can decide if it’s 800€ better.

Mar 14, 2026 1:33 PM in response to Der_Kauz

It means you have insufficient memory for your current usage, and not by a little.


The vm_stat command can be run continuously in another window (check the vm_stat man page), and you can watch for which apps hit the counters hardest.


Activity Monitor can show swap used as well, as can the command line with: sysctl -a | grep swap


When paging and swapping increases and swap usage increases, you’re using main storage to mask insufficient main memory. Which slows things, though not nearly as slow as was paging and swapping to HDD. (M5 main storage runs at roughly the same bandwidth as DDR3 main memory from fifteen or twenty years ago.)


A write-up on the memory hierarchy describing this in a little more detail:

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/256220572?answerId=261769223022&sortBy=oldest_first#261769223022



Mar 14, 2026 12:49 PM in response to MrHoffman

Well the activity monitor shows the RAM pressure graph in the yellow region always when I'm having CAD things open or projects loaded in Ableton and sometimes it spikes a bit up when I'm adding a sample library or adding a layer, which leads to lag for 0.5-1 second as well as swaps in the size of 500MB-2GB. As I said, usable (because the lag is not permanent) but will most probably not get better in the future.


The CPU however is not a problem for my work generally; I always have a good bit of headroom left. I looked into normal M4 MBPs as well (i.e. M4/16/512) but pretty much all of them are more expensive than the M3 Pro machine I'm eyeing so the M3P machine seems like the best deal I can get right now.


I will check the vm_stat command tomorrow, I didn't know about that. Thanks.


Edit: Ok here's the vm_stat, but what does it mean? I only had Chrome open, no CAD, no Ableton, no Office

Mar 14, 2026 1:40 PM in response to Der_Kauz

Der_Kauz wrote:

Hello people,

I currently have the base 2020 MBP 13" with M1/8GB/256GB and found a deal for a MBP 14"/M3 Pro/18GB/512GB Refurbished by Apple.


I can sell my current machine for around 450-500€ (570 US$) on the used market and the price for the new machine is 1300€ (1480 US$) with warranty, so the net cost will be around 800€ (915 US$). Is this a good deal and can I expect the new machine to last me 4-6 years with this use case?




M3 from 2023 is already 3 years old, discontinued in 2024.


see Vintage and Obsolete:


Vintage at 5 years—Apple will repair if parts are available; Obsolete at 7 years—no.


Obtaining service for your Apple product after an expired ...

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201624




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