Vertical close-collapse-maximize buttons? Apple, are you serious?

Chris CA wrote:

But I can see no good reason for the change,

To save 12 pixels at top of the window.

I read it was 20 pixels. In any event, on my MBP with a 15.4" screen and 1400x900 display, each pixel is approximately 0.235 mm tall. So by saving 12 pixels at the top, I get an extra 2.82 mm to play with at the bottom (or 4.70 mm if it's 20 pixels).

Please excuse me while I yawn for enthusiasm at all the extra room I now have. My life is saved. Hallelujah.

Justin J. Rebbert wrote:

Chris CA wrote:

But I can see no good reason for the change,

To save 12 pixels at top of the window.

I read it was 20 pixels. In any event, on my MBP with a 15.4" screen and 1400x900 display, each pixel is approximately 0.235 mm tall. So by saving 12 pixels at the top, I get an extra 2.82 mm to play with at the bottom (or 4.70 mm if it's 20 pixels).

Please excuse me while I yawn for enthusiasm at all the extra room I now have. My life is saved. Hallelujah.

They did this so you can now see the Beatles White Album disc 1 & 2 track listing in its entirety without having to scroll down.

These buttons are anyway largely ornamental on single-window applications (there is no point in closing or minimising the window of a single-window application, hiding or quitting it has exactly the same effect and I don't know anybody who actually used the mini-player).

The greyed-out icons are more than ornamental, they affect functionality, as does the increased line-spacing which means you now can view less lines on your screen (roughly eight old lines are now taken up with seven new lines).

Sekoya wrote:
These buttons are anyway largely ornamental on single-window applications (there is no point in closing or minimising the window of a single-window application, hiding or quitting it has exactly the same effect and I don't know anybody who actually used the mini-player).

You obviously weren't around for the last time Apple made changes in those buttons. They changed the behavior in a way that affected launching the miniplayer. The uproar was about as big as the current one about the lack of color. Apparently, there are a lot of miniplayer users out there.

"All windows should have a title bar even if the window doesn’t have a title (which should be a very rare exception)" p.195

"Document and application windows always display active close and minimize buttons" (so called Title Bar Buttons)" p.196

As title bar is horizontal so must be title bar buttons.

Meg St._Clair wrote:

Sekoya wrote:
These buttons are anyway largely ornamental on single-window applications (there is no point in closing or minimising the window of a single-window application, hiding or quitting it has exactly the same effect and I don't know anybody who actually used the mini-player).

You obviously weren't around for the last time Apple made changes in those buttons. They changed the behavior in a way that affected launching the miniplayer. The uproar was about as big as the current one about the lack of color. Apparently, there are a lot of miniplayer users out there.

Yes, I remember this, but even for those using the mini-player, hitting the green button is hardly more difficult whether it is horizontal or vertical, it is still green (and not grey like in Aperture), whereas the source pane icons have lost their colour.

Moreover, people using the mini-player will be a minority, people switching between different source pane icons include basically everybody. Thus making them harder to use is clearly the graver sin.

garrych wrote:
"All windows should have a title bar even if the window doesn’t have a title (which should be a very rare exception)" p.195

"Document and application windows always display active close and minimize buttons" (so called Title Bar Buttons)" p.196

Why not assume that the next revision of this document will contain additional language allowing for single-window applications with a high-enough toolbar to switch the orientation?

You cannot distinguish an outlier from a trend if you only have one datapoint.

Yeah, Everyone does make mistakes.

Like I said Apple also likes to try and experiment with things, Remember the square iPod nanos (first to have video) ?

Those weren't the greatest thing Apple has released because some users didn't like the shape.

So Apple fixed it.

I personally don't use the little buttons come to think of it, I've always used command+h, command+w, command+q and I just have all my windows set to the same size.

I find that to be a lot quicker for me when working.

But I do understand your point, How it would take a bit of adjusting to for someone who has been using the horizontal buttons for years.

i'm waiting for the next revision with blackjack and ....

andrew-s wrote:
They did this so you can now see the Beatles White Album disc 1 & 2 track listing in its entirety without having to scroll down.

Sweet.
I KNEW there was a good reason for. I will have to check that out later.
Thanks!

Personally, I just don't like the way the vertical orientation of the buttons looks. I usually use the shortcut keys, but still.

Actually, I would rather they kept the Title Bar. I click the Title to drag the window, and now its narrower... Though some disagree, I think they should have remained consistent. (Of course, they have other programs that break consistency, such as Final Cut [Express] and LiveType).
Of course, someone else previously posted the code to make it go back, which was helpful:
defaults write com.apple.iTunes full-window 1

How about if we just get rid of the buttons? 😀 (Joking).

In another thread on this forum, Ast a. Moore posted how to change it:
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You can get the standard title bar and traffic-light widgets back by typing this in Terminal:

*defaults write com.apple.iTunes full-window -boolean YES*



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Note: the above string also restores the window title bar

I totally agree.

I just made the change back in terminal and realized why the middle of the window looked so strange as well. The vertical buttons also removes the window name!!! Seriously... If your proud of your app, why remove it's name? Makes no sense to me.

good Day All;

I agree, why change these buttons on iTunes? All my other Apple software is the opposite. This does not make sense. Is apple going to have a "mish mash" of button orientation?

I used the terminal fix as soon as I found it on this topic, thanks for posting.

Regards

Chris, I think that was tongue-in-cheek as the White album only has a total of 30 lines of songs and iTunes displays 48 lines of songs in List and Album List views. No scrolling required.