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Closed captioning

I would love to buy a new $99 Apple TV. But in the past I've never been able to determine if all the content available on it is closed captioned. I have the same question about the new Apple TV -- is the content captioned for the hearing impaired? What about Netflix? Is it captioned?

This is an absolute deal killer for me -- and for LOTS of potential customers. Does anyone know the definitive answer?

And if the answer is "no" -- what can be done? How is it acceptable that ALL (or virtually all) content on broadcast TV is captioned, yet when it comes to Apple TV and Netflix, it is not. How is this acceptable in today's world?

MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.5)

Posted on Sep 1, 2010 9:30 PM

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Dec 8, 2010 4:55 AM in response to Sherman Wilcox

Netflix streaming vids not having caption is not Apple's fault, just as you cannot get caption either when streaming from PS3 or xBox. Netflix is at the early stage of incorporating caption in it's streaming titles, as of this press release there were about 100, and this was in April:

http://blog.netflix.com/2010/04/subtitles-now-available-for-some-titles.html

Will work from the Mac for limited titles, but I haven't tried this from the Apple TV--I'll try 'Lost Season 1' and see how it goes.

I have captions turned on under the Apple TV settings and have yet to see any iTunes rentals display captions, then again I haven't seen any of the caption symbols when buying/renting content so far. I agree it needs to be as readily available from iTunes as it is with standard TV programming. Need to poke Steve, what's up with that?

Dec 13, 2010 7:02 PM in response to fearless33

fearless33 wrote:
Netflix streaming vids not having caption is not Apple's fault, just as you cannot get caption either when streaming from PS3 or xBox.


Correction:

While CC was not available on the DISK version of the PS3 Neflix app, CC was made available for the new DOWNLOAD version of Netflix for PS3.

So Netflix is providing CC for some streamers but not the current version of AppleTV Gen 2.

Feb 28, 2011 7:36 PM in response to Sherman Wilcox

We bought an Apple TV last week, specifically to watch Netflix, and discovered that very few Netflix movies are available with closed captioning. Netflix has announced that 80% of its content will be closed captioned by the end of the year but, guess what, Apple TV isn't listed among the devices that will support it -- basically PCs, MACs and Wiis. Apple, are you listening?

Jul 11, 2011 7:32 PM in response to newbiemaybe

Yes,


Read what I found at Netflix Help.


" What devices can display subtitles for movies and TV shows I watch instantly?

A:

The following devices support subtitles for streaming movies and TV shows:

  • PC/Mac
  • PS3
  • Wii
  • Google TV Devices such as Logitech Revue and Sony Internet TV
  • Boxee Box by D-Link
  • iPhone, iPad, and iPod Touch

If subtitles are available for a movie or TV show, you will be able to enable them on any of the above devices. Note: not all movies and TV shows have subtitles. Movies in languages other than English have English subtitles "burned in" to the content. These subtitles will appear on all devices."


I can see CCs on my iPad but can't in my AppleTV.


Apple, are you listening?

Aug 13, 2011 1:34 AM in response to ggohlsen

Well, yesterday I just bought apple tv2, everything's cool, BUT; I just found out, to my surprise and dissappointment, there's NO subtitles or support for this on apple tv2.....APPLE DO YOU LISTEN?? There's people out there who's depending on those and people like me who has English as my second language!!

GET YOURSELF IN GEAR APPLE....or is it me who's plain stupid??

Aug 13, 2011 9:39 AM in response to Sherman Wilcox

Subtitles seem to work on most shows I watch via either my ATV1 or ATV2. Sometimes I use them, but find them a tad annoying, especially when they appear on different locations on the screen.


I have some hearing loss with a lifetime spent in the aviation sector and miss a lot of the higher pitched audio without help. We have "TV Ears" that we got at Costco for around $60 as I remember. I think they provide a much more enjoyable viewing experience than CC/subtitles.

Aug 16, 2011 8:45 PM in response to Sherman Wilcox

To those asking if Apple is listening... no they aren't. Discussion forums aren't typically monitored by Apple.


To give feedback (and I definitely encourage you to do so) go to http://www.apple.com/feedback/appletv.html


The lack of CC support on the Netflix service may not be Apple's deal, I think it's up to Netflix to add that functionality, and the Apple TV isn't as big a market as, for example, the PS3. So I'd also encourage everyone to contact Netflix. The more voices they hear, the higher up the priority list it will go.

Nov 18, 2011 4:20 PM in response to Sherman Wilcox

To get closed captioning for Netflix and anything else on Apple TV, go to "settings" in the menu, then click on "audio and video" and then to the "dolby" setting. Turn off "dolby". For me, this solved an audio noise problem, but ALSO enabled the closed captioning on Netflix movies!! You must also be sure closed captioning is enabled in the settings section on the Apple TV, and the movie/show must be closed captioned, designated by "CC" in the info page of the program you want to watch. Applecare tells me turning off dolby also corrects a "no sound" problem.

Nov 26, 2011 2:10 AM in response to Sherman Wilcox

FYI: CC on Cable and Netflix.

There seems to be a lack of information in this thread that I hope my own experience can shed some light on. Keep in mind the year was 2009. I don't know if the promises made to me were kept or not because I'm still using the same hardware. I apologize for the length of this post. It is necessary for me to convey my findings.


My hearing loss is new, within the last four years or so. I simply can not understand a broadcast without CC. When I got cable for my cabin (Comcast) I was stunned to find that it did not have CC or any options to activate it. I did some research and learned that broadcast companies that use the airwaves, are required by federal law to provide CC within four years of beginning their broadcasts. That's why most TV stations, if not all, offer CC. So what gives Comcast? As it happens, Comcast is playing games by claiming it's HD TV is a "New business" so they don't have to provide CC for at least four years. It's a sneaky way to avoid costs associated with CC, though I don't know what those figures are. In order to activate CC on my Motorola Comcast DDR / Cable box, I had to find a convoluted set of instructions on the Internet to even acres the menu (in this case, powering OFF the box, holding the menu key to access the dev menu for the device and access CC from there. There is no way via the user interface to activate it). So if the box is CC capable, why the clandestine, reluctant method to activate it? I am still aggravated by Comcast's attitude toward CC in this instance. Once activated, all programs I watch have CC.


I have many methods of accessing content. XBOX movie rentals, Netflix via XBOX and my TV, ITunes, and online like Hulu and so forth. Out of all those resources, only Cable allows me to rent a movie with CC. I assume because the FCC forces broadcast to provide it and cable falls into that category. When the law was written, there was no Internet.


From a purely profitable standpoint, this means I only rent movies via Comcast. I would much prefer Netflix or XBOX because the controls and response times are far better. However, there may not be enough profit from CC business to cover costs associated with providing it. You can bet if there is a profit to be made, we would have CC on our toilets by now. These businesses are woefully incapable of coming up with a new business model until forced. Think VHS. When VHS came out, they fought it tooth and nail, the same way they are online digital media and for the same reasons. Content piracy. Then tape rental was provided by small venders which the big guys eventually adopted. Suddenly the resistance to VHS went away.


Netflix was my next target to get CC activated. Being a young company, I felt I had a better chance of getting honest answers. I learned that Netflix claimed (2009) that streaming software was not yet able to stream CC data. A year later I noticed a feeble trickle of CC with Netflix. Assuming that they have the software fixed ( some shows have CC) I'm guessing, like Comcast, it's reluctance is due to costs and the amount of business they gain being unbalanced.


So all this sounds to me like the broadcast companies pulled much the same begrudging foot dragging on CC until forced by the FCC to provide it. I would think the Americans with Disabilities act would have some weight on this issue even in the online streaming realm, It is going to take, literally, an act of congress to get these companies to provide CC online as they do via broadcast. It may take someone with the resources to file a lawsuit based on the disabilities act to force their hand.

I don't have the energy or resources. Like most disabled, it takes all I make to get just enough medication to keep myself alive and eat. I've been looking for a sympathetic ear among my friends in the corporate world but sadly, as is always the case, they aren't motivated until it happens to them,

Nov 26, 2011 5:41 AM in response to Duncan Keith

Duncan Keith wrote:


Dolby does not have to be Off to enable closed captioning, it works with Dolby On. The Audio and Video menu does contain the controls to turn on CC (and also subtitles... don't know what the difference is). My Dolby has always been On, and Netflix CC started working a few months ago after an update.

It started to work on mine when I turned Dolby OFF, if I turn dolby ON it's not working, I know there's controls for CC and subtitles,and both has been turned ON all the time, but nevertheless.....

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